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You're right Nynco. Some more info. She lost her business because her partner was stealing from it. If she had the resources, then she would have taken care of it herself. She's back on her feet and doesn't require help from .gov any more. I think the difference is that some folks need an occasional hand, and then there are others that don't want to take care of themselves, aren't without resources and still try to take advantage of safety net programs.
When does the safety net become a hammock?
Caring for those in need is not giving out free care.
Charity starts at home. It ceases to be charity when it is handed out by an impartial bureaucracy. Hand outs become an entitlement when every politician at every level is afraid to manage how much and to whom it is given because those who receive believe they are entitled will continue to vote for candidates who will keep giving. Those politicians who are elected will keep giving as long as there is someone they can take from to pay for the entitlements.
Why is Greece where it is now? Where will Greece be when the Germans decide to stop funding Greek entitlements?
Don't even try to use Greece as an example of anything liberal. Their economy is going off a cliff because they have no manufacturing base and the greeks decided to try massive gov cuts like you guys advocate. It sent the country into a down spiral. Just like everyone warns will happen if we listen to the GOP and cut spending by a massive amount.
Germany on the other hand has done exactly what I think is the right thing to do. Same with most all the Scandinavia socialist countries. They are booming right now.
Healthcare should not even be an issue of a safety net. We need to make medicare a base level for all regardless of income and then if you are rich, buy better than that. You will see the economy boom as small business is lifted from that burden and individuals can follow their dreams. Much the same reason the 50s boomed once the kids did not have to pay for the parents thanks to Soc Sec.
Yaaaaawn, has NYNCO changed anyone's mind yet. I'm starting to get the image of him being a start raving mad Communist!
NYNCO, you are so obsessed with converting people with your WE WE WE utopia I still fail to see what you want out of all of this. Still want to understand what YOU have to gain from taking from others to provide for those who could care less where any of this money comes from. Are you giving to your neighbor so they can get by, do you pay their cell phone bill, car note, grocery bill or anything and do you have to? Wy are you so concerned with making people see YOUR WAY. You never explain why anyone should give up the wealth they have worked for other than the Greater Good jibberish we have been hearing since liberals have figured it was safe to crawl out from under their rocks. Your view is that we should all be guilty of what we have worked for and be forced to have it taken away or forced to pay for these so called VICTIMS of the American way of life. When did I have to start shouldering the blame for the failure of others in society. If they are not trying to better themselves why should we have to make up for that? These so called victims, eat better, have better cell phones, bigger TV's, drive nicer cars and still they claim they need help. I see it everyday, kids on free school lunch tossing it into the trash only to go outside and play on there fancy cell phones, they have parents who complain they can't afford a collared shirt for school but sure do have nice iPhones! I pay my way everyday yet still see people buying up the good name brand groceries and throwing meat into there cart like there is no tomorrow using and EBT card. Forcing people to pay more, buy a service, or feel guilty for success is not going to motivate these so called poor to take care of themselves anymore, they know your a sucker for feeling sorry for them and will always get something for nothing. You can cry about the Eisenhower Days all you want. Your not changing any minds here and have just made yourself seem even more insane and self serving.
The problem Liberals have is the word "CHOICE". They are the party of NO.
"First and foremost too, we have the RIGHT to chose who we want to assist." So too do you have the right to choose your gov. Thus the gov we chose can also chose to assist others. I believe in a gov of "We the People" You don't like it, well try to get people to vote for people who will not help another person other than themselves. Thankfully people are starting to get that will not work.
Foxtrot can you please point me to the line in the constitution that says we are to be a "Free Market" "Laisseze Fair" economy? Thanks in advance... if not then I suggest you take your own advice.
"If you don't like it and want to change it until everyone is forced to agree with your way of thinking, then I suggest you properly amend the constitution.
#4: Otherwise, sit down, shut up, and stop harassing people from under your bridge."
Again thanks in advance.
TeamRico, I don't really care what you think of me. You have already admitted yourself that you are a bigot and proud of it on another thread. No one can change that mentality but yourself. So rest assured, I don't care what you think.
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Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
Yup, I'm all of those things! When you make up more HATE SPEECH labels I will add those as well. Keeps you loons happy.
Boy, you Communist sure get mad when people have the ability to think for themselves. Is this how you run The Red Cross....adding a sickle and hammer soon to the flag is suspect.
NYNCO, seems like you are a man filled with hatred for freedom and this country? Why are you so filled with anger? Are you a GOV plant meant to stir trouble here so you can have this site closed down. I'm beginning to worry about your intentions here to silence free speech and crush opposing views, I think you may be a threat to those that speak out against you......scary!
Government programs are like the camel's nose. They are proposed and passed as supplements to assist the needy. Social Security was started to supplement worker's retirement savings. Now it is seen as sacrosanct and an absolute must for all who the GOV approves to receive.
There will always be those who have more and those who have less. IMO, life is not fair and it is not about providing an equal right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for every citizen. In fact that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, which of course was written as a statement dissolving the ties between citizens and their former government. IMO life is about opportunities, and freedom to choose. I am free to believe what I do and you are free to believe what you want. I am free to disagree with you, as you are free to disagree with me. I choose to have less government involvement in my choices and I choose to not have my healthcare provided through government mandates. I feel that the current system is an infringement upon my rights and I will work against that infringement upon my rights.
I do not want to live in a socialized state like those found in Scandanavia or the rest of western Europe. I believe the path chosen by those countries is fundamentally wrong based on my understanding of the Constitution. I could list many other problems I have with current government programs and policies, however, I find the entire discussion to be continued mental masturbation.
Enjoy yourself and the future you are choosing. I'm taking my balls and going home.
Yada yada yada Rico... you yourself said you are those things. I just let you run with your own personal label. So don't accuse me of doing anything more than agreeing with your own personal assessment. You are free to be all that you cherish. Just don't take away anyone else's rights with your views. Have a nice day.
Best line ever "Just don't take away anyone else's right with your views".
You still don't get it do you? Your hatred of freedom blinds you to no end.
Makes me feel better knowing that as I stood in line today at the store I could watch a woman pay for the most good awful junk food and prime cuts of meat with her EBT card. I hope its enough to last her since she was working 250 lbs plus!
NYNCO's America!
What do you think Soc Sec does now. I sure as hell is not the end all be all for retirement. It is exactly what you said a supplement. Because it really does not pay very much like you all think.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
I don't want life to be fair and equal. But I want there to be a system where people can live with dignity while working an honest job. You want more than that, work harder. Right now there are tons of hard working Americans who can not make ends meet because our system is so broken that tons of people can not survive on that. The pay offerings of companies like Walmart (who made billions in profit) many who work at those low wage jobs qualify for public assistance. even though they work full time. So Yeah I have a problem with a system where companies can make the taxpayers subsidize their slave labor.
I don't hate freedom. But apparently you hate that people freely chose to elect a gov that decided to help all Americans and not just the wealthy. Projection is alive and wellQuote:
Originally Posted by TEAMRICO
seriously the .gov DOES NOT help the wealthy, it helps the lazy. We seriously need to adopt the no work, no eat policy in this country, along with a no achievement/no education policy as well.
I'll tell all of you who think otherwise that ANYONE (that means nynco...who's now on my ignore list) who needs "health care", whatever form that may be, can get it free of charge.
My wife is a RN at a metro-area private hospital. She works in the ICU. Most of her patients are there because of poor lifestyle choices...drug abuse, alcohol abuse, drug and alcohol abuse. The majority of her patients are indigent and don't have health insurance. They get the same level of care that paying patients get. If you argue otherwise, you're totally ignorant of how the system works and you don't deserve to be heard.
The paying patients (and their insurance companies) subsidize the non-paying patients. That's part of the reason health insurance/health care IS expensive for those that can pay it.
It mimics the rest of life. The taxpayers subsidize the tax receivers. We're rapidly approaching the point where the takers are going to outnumber the payers. When that happens you liberals are going to be in for a rude awakening.
BTW: If you guys would stop quoting nynco the "Ignore" function would work much better. :)
It's a waste of time, effort and brainpower to talk to the troll. No amount of information, logic or factual argument will dissuade him from his leftist ideology.
Your anger toward me is bordering on RACISM! Because of the color of my skin?
I assume you think I'm white am I correct?
Slave labor?? So Walmart is forcing highly educated college graduates to work there? Are they stealing these scholars from the fast food industry? If anyone who wanted a better life or a career that pays well is working in fast food or for any retailer then I have to ask where did they go wrong in life? Drop out of school, teen pregnancy, trouble with the law, or maybe just don't really want to try to succeed in life? What ever there issues are they are not mine to compensate for. So they should get paid more and more to be rewarded? Sorry young college student with a degree in liberal arts, the liberal arts factory is just not hiring!
Once again you talk about this BROKEN SYSTEM where those who failed themselves are to be supported or pitied by those who succeeded.
Im sure smoking pot, poking holes in your face and ears and having more tattoos then you have space on your body is your right to free expression but when no one hires you don't take money from those who made something of themselves to give him a shot he was "Denied".
Complaining about the successful people in life and accusing them of forcing people into slave labor is pretty childish. If that is the case I should be demonizing you for being successful and demanding you give up your wealth that you have stolen from those poor bastards working at the stores that provide you with goods. You by the products of slave labor while you rake in money that you don't deserve and others are denied. You don't deserve to be as we'll off as you are when others need the basics to get by to the next paycheck or hand out.
it is rich people like you who are out of touch with the working man!
Sacrifice more so others can live! Rich people like you never get it up there in your ivory tower!
A few months ago a friend of mine died from pancreatic cancer. He had worked for the last 6 years as a pizza delivery driver and had no insurance. He was treated for his cancer with surgery, radiation and chemo, then at the end he had in home hospice care.Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Again, no insurance, yet was given all the treatments available. Services are available currently, they are run by the state and by individual hospitals. But just keep watching MSNBC, they will back up all the socialist ideals that you hold so dear.
It seems he's on quite a few peoples ignore lists, i would put in my two cents but i cant process all of his stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Since NYNCO yearns for "The Good Old Days" of Eisenhower........
So Rico what was that quote in reference too? What was Eisenhower addressing at that time?
Dont mean anything, I just thought you would like to see us go back to the days of Dwight, you know the 50's and 60's when women knew their place and so did people of color. Ahhh you must pine for those days of the past.
nynco,,, All I have to say is BULLSHIT.A few years back when I had the knarly shit in my foot, I ended up in the er with no insurance. They treated my foot made me stay for 2 days, wanted me to stay longer, but that's another story. over $17,000 later, made arrangements to pay and that was it. My foot will be mine again, in about another 6 months. The only morons that want oblahblahcare are the ones THAT DON'T WANT TO PAY.In fact, the Lady we delt with, seem very happy that we were doing it that way instead of insurance, Less paperwork and,except for a small finance charge, the same as cash.
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Originally Posted by nynco
You define the sentiment "You cant fix stupid"
Actually when I posted the hread I was speaking to the misinformation she'd been fed about some.sort of voucher program shed be forced into that I'd never heard of. And I stayed informed this election season.
As far as her voting for Obama I told.her I understood, people vote for their own wallet. That was the end of.it. we had more.beers, more laughs and the world continued to rotate and revolve.
Nynco please stfu. You've thoroughly derailed this thread and many others just because you buy into the crap they're selling you. I on the other hand rather enjoyed the country I grew up in and would like to preserve it for my posterity. If you feel socialism is the way, please feel free to relocate to a nation that is oppressive enough for your tastes. Leave my country alone.
Well said.
When was the last time the USA actually manufactured something?Quote:
Originally Posted by nynco
Germany has finally done Economically what it couldn't do Militarily, Conquer Europe.
As for the rest, it is a sad day when i need to show ID AND pay my deductible up front, while 2 seats over Undocumented Worker is not held responsible for shit. CA is the classic example, a state in debt due in part to a health care system tits up from attending to ILLEGAL Aliens and Anchor baby families.
My personal opinion is that if an X-ray cost $300 instead of $7,000 then more people would be able to pay. Stop trying to put a band aid on an open wound. The problem is the cost of healthcare, and all of the other problems stem from that. Cancer is never going to be cured even though there is a cure out there because it is too profitable. Do you think companies and hospitals want to cure their cash cow? My mom just got a new chemo drug that totaled $16,000 for one round.
the fact that the CPUSA Endorsed Obama whole-heartedly says everything.
simply to avoid the stain of the name, Communists infiltrated the Democratic party; and now Democrat is the new Communist.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" -Karl Marx
What's it mean when Pravda called the people that voted for him idiots? [LOL]
That at least SOMEBODY gets it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
It is about choice. Without choice it is only slavery lite. Without individual liberty there is no freedom.
It means Pravda is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Once in 80 or so years ain't bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
To be fair, that's a pretty tough one to get wrong. I wouldn't give Pravda too much credit.
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Reading this thread start to finish....how do I say it? PISSED ME OFF. [facepalm]Mother of God there are some serious breakdowns in society today and on this forum. Liberty is dying. [Cry]
I don't think The spirit of Liberty is dying, it is just being compressed like spring...about to uncoil.