Beer with a liberal

[nynco]

Government programs are like the camel's nose. They are proposed and passed as supplements to assist the needy. Social Security was started to supplement worker's retirement savings. Now it is seen as sacrosanct and an absolute must for all who the GOV approves to receive.

There will always be those who have more and those who have less. IMO, life is not fair and it is not about providing an equal right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness for every citizen. In fact that phrase is in the Declaration of Independence, which of course was written as a statement dissolving the ties between citizens and their former government. IMO life is about opportunities, and freedom to choose. I am free to believe what I do and you are free to believe what you want. I am free to disagree with you, as you are free to disagree with me. I choose to have less government involvement in my choices and I choose to not have my healthcare provided through government mandates. I feel that the current system is an infringement upon my rights and I will work against that infringement upon my rights.

I do not want to live in a socialized state like those found in Scandanavia or the rest of western Europe. I believe the path chosen by those countries is fundamentally wrong based on my understanding of the Constitution. I could list many other problems I have with current government programs and policies, however, I find the entire discussion to be continued mental masturbation.

Enjoy yourself and the future you are choosing. I'm taking my balls and going home.

What do you think Soc Sec does now. I sure as hell is not the end all be all for retirement. It is exactly what you said a supplement. Because it really does not pay very much like you all think.

I don't want life to be fair and equal. But I want there to be a system where people can live with dignity while working an honest job. You want more than that, work harder. Right now there are tons of hard working Americans who can not make ends meet because our system is so broken that tons of people can not survive on that. The pay offerings of companies like Walmart (who made billions in profit) many who work at those low wage jobs qualify for public assistance. even though they work full time. So Yeah I have a problem with a system where companies can make the taxpayers subsidize their slave labor.

[nynco]

You still don't get it do you? Your hatred of freedom blinds you to no end.

I don't hate freedom. But apparently you hate that people freely chose to elect a gov that decided to help all Americans and not just the wealthy. Projection is alive and well

[dwalker460]

seriously the .gov DOES NOT help the wealthy, it helps the lazy. We seriously need to adopt the no work, no eat policy in this country, along with a no achievement/no education policy as well.

[Bailey Guns]

I'll tell all of you who think otherwise that ANYONE (that means nynco...who's now on my ignore list) who needs "health care", whatever form that may be, can get it free of charge.

My wife is a RN at a metro-area private hospital. She works in the ICU. Most of her patients are there because of poor lifestyle choices...drug abuse, alcohol abuse, drug and alcohol abuse. The majority of her patients are indigent and don't have health insurance. They get the same level of care that paying patients get. If you argue otherwise, you're totally ignorant of how the system works and you don't deserve to be heard.

The paying patients (and their insurance companies) subsidize the non-paying patients. That's part of the reason health insurance/health care IS expensive for those that can pay it.

It mimics the rest of life. The taxpayers subsidize the tax receivers. We're rapidly approaching the point where the takers are going to outnumber the payers. When that happens you liberals are going to be in for a rude awakening.

BTW: If you guys would stop quoting nynco the "Ignore" function would work much better.

[sneakerd]

It's a waste of time, effort and brainpower to talk to the troll. No amount of information, logic or factual argument will dissuade him from his leftist ideology.

[TEAMRICO]

Your anger toward me is bordering on RACISM! Because of the color of my skin?
I assume you think I'm white am I correct?
Slave labor?? So Walmart is forcing highly educated college graduates to work there? Are they stealing these scholars from the fast food industry? If anyone who wanted a better life or a career that pays well is working in fast food or for any retailer then I have to ask where did they go wrong in life? Drop out of school, teen pregnancy, trouble with the law, or maybe just don't really want to try to succeed in life? What ever there issues are they are not mine to compensate for. So they should get paid more and more to be rewarded? Sorry young college student with a degree in liberal arts, the liberal arts factory is just not hiring!
Once again you talk about this BROKEN SYSTEM where those who failed themselves are to be supported or pitied by those who succeeded.
Im sure smoking pot, poking holes in your face and ears and having more tattoos then you have space on your body is your right to free expression but when no one hires you don't take money from those who made something of themselves to give him a shot he was "Denied".
Complaining about the successful people in life and accusing them of forcing people into slave labor is pretty childish. If that is the case I should be demonizing you for being successful and demanding you give up your wealth that you have stolen from those poor bastards working at the stores that provide you with goods. You by the products of slave labor while you rake in money that you don't deserve and others are denied. You don't deserve to be as we'll off as you are when others need the basics to get by to the next paycheck or hand out.
it is rich people like you who are out of touch with the working man!
Sacrifice more so others can live! Rich people like you never get it up there in your ivory tower!

[sturn18]

Try to go to the ER to get cancer treatment. Not gonna happen.

A few months ago a friend of mine died from pancreatic cancer. He had worked for the last 6 years as a pizza delivery driver and had no insurance. He was treated for his cancer with surgery, radiation and chemo, then at the end he had in home hospice care.

Again, no insurance, yet was given all the treatments available. Services are available currently, they are run by the state and by individual hospitals. But just keep watching MSNBC, they will back up all the socialist ideals that you hold so dear.

[JMBD2112]

I'll tell all of you who think otherwise that ANYONE (that means nynco...who's now on my ignore list) who needs "health care", whatever form that may be, can get it free of charge.

My wife is a RN at a metro-area private hospital. She works in the ICU. Most of her patients are there because of poor lifestyle choices...drug abuse, alcohol abuse, drug and alcohol abuse. The majority of her patients are indigent and don't have health insurance. They get the same level of care that paying patients get. If you argue otherwise, you're totally ignorant of how the system works and you don't deserve to be heard.

The paying patients (and their insurance companies) subsidize the non-paying patients. That's part of the reason health insurance/health care IS expensive for those that can pay it.

It mimics the rest of life. The taxpayers subsidize the tax receivers. We're rapidly approaching the point where the takers are going to outnumber the payers. When that happens you liberals are going to be in for a rude awakening.

BTW: If you guys would stop quoting nynco the "Ignore" function would work much better.

It seems he's on quite a few peoples ignore lists, i would put in my two cents but i cant process all of his stupid

[TEAMRICO]

Since NYNCO yearns for "The Good Old Days" of Eisenhower........

[nynco]

So Rico what was that quote in reference too? What was Eisenhower addressing at that time?