Is anyone in jail yet?
Is anyone in jail yet?
It only takes one scam to teach the lesson. I have been scammed hard myself and vowed to do my homework and be able to prevent crap like this in the future. Hope it all gets resolved.
Actually, I was just looking up his address to send him and Dalia certified letters stating my intention to file. He has responded to a couple of emails, last one stating that maybe it fell through the cracks and he would check again. He never follows up. I'm certain he's just stringing me along, so it is time for legal action. I've been pretty busy with work and should have had it filed by now, but I'll keep yall informed of the proceedings.
Dude, paypal... Why didn't you open a dispute? Unless they can show it delivered, you get your cash back. I've had two deals go shitty using paypal, and unless they can prove delivery, you win... I think you only have a three month gap though... so........ Paypal is anti gun, but a very safe way to pay.
Tried everything I could with PayPal. Had a lengthy back and forth through email. They had a rep look into the specific transaction, and final word is: I cannot dispute it because it was sent as a "gift."Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
I am having a heck of a time finding an address for Les Fletcher. His Linked In page has bogus companies listed. His Facebook says he is now in Dallas, but there is no current record of him there. I ran his background and it comes back with several addresses - currently in AZ. All I have for sure is a couple of email addresses and a good phone number - that comes back to NJ. He is quite the scammer judging from his criminal record.
I have a possible address for his partner in crime and Facebook "in a relationship with," Dalia Genena. She's been evicted several times, so I am not too sure I have a good address. Her LinkedIn profile also lists bogus employment (Net Green Medical). Again, I only have email and and a possible phone number for her.
I am considering shotgunning an email to all of their friends, employers, and family, in order to find out a valid address. May have to hire an investigator in the Dallas area, but that would probably just be throwing away more money.
I checked out the small claims filing criteria for Dalia's county in TX and found that I have at least two years to file.
I get spun up and can't sleep when I think about it, but I'll keep after it when I have time here and there.
Just got this email reply from his "current employer" as listed on his LinkedIn profile:
Dear Mr. XXXXXX,
Mr. Leslie Teniilson Fletcher was a mandate for our company but was in no ay employed by the company. We have had no contact from him for over a year now.
Yours Sincerely,
The General Director
XXXXXX Inc.
I figure I'll never get my $500 back, but I will continue to pursue him just the same.
Unless you are willing to prove that the aboved named person/s actually ripped you off. I would have you think about your liability in posting that he/she did. I think the only chance you have is PayPal. Good Luck.
Does this guy have a large online presence in the gun communities? Would it be possible to establish what his interests are in guns, and then set up something he couldn't resist buying?
$500 lesson.
Get an actual Attorney involved, or close the lesson. You gifted $500 through paypal for an Armslist purchase with someone three states away with no way of refuting the payment if the stuff didn't show. People lie, thieves steal. They sleep like babies at night.
Ouch, didn't see that coming....Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Winner at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
3 things here...
Paypal + gift purchases do not work, I walk when someone says this. I ask for a transaction of laminated wood or injection molded plastic...
Armslist is a FTF deal only.
Consider it a 500$ stupid tax. You have learned your lesson, now continue flaming the guy on all the forums and armslist...
This really sucks, and I'm sorry to hear about this. Sometimes trying to save a buck costs you more in the long run. I'm going though the same thing with a billet upper, but it's a manufacturer with no paypal and a CC...
I have not read the whole thread but have read enough to know I am also working through a BS transaction off Armslist that sounds very similar. I will go into more detail shortly if this goes the same way. I feel for ya.
good luck
Ding, Ding, Ding, We have a winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by colorider
After sending an email to another company Les supposedly works for, I received a call from Les. He was ranting on about how he was out of the country, and had to take care of personal stuff, and that, get this, his assistant at the company was supposed to have mailed out the package. He was pissed off that I was threatening legal action and that I started this thread. Not one time did he apologize for the "mix-up." I gave him my address again, and he said they would be mailed out the next day. I also received an email from his employer's "Hunan" Resources Department stating the same thing Les told me on the phone.
Long story short, I FINALLY GOT MY BCGs! Ordered and paid for on 21 Feb - Delivered on 28 May.
I edited the first post and the title of this thread to reflect the fact that Les Fletcher ALMOST ripped me off.
that is awesome! good for you bro
Cockroaches hate light, don't they?
Congratulations!!!
That was a long shot to win.
Congrats! Some people would have just taken the loss and moved on, glad you got it taken care of and held someone accountable.
Congrats! Great ending to a bummer situation!
That's great news. Glad it all worked out for you!!
That is a great news!
I would go crazy if I did not receive my stuff within 3weeks. You patiently waited +3month. Give you a prop for it.
I had to join MGO (MichiganGu nOwners) once, because a guy at HKpro would not ship the package to me. After joining his local gunforum, it was shipped immediately. haha
Stunned and amazed that you finally got your BCGs. The douchebag still deserves to have his name dragged through the mud for taking 3+ months to make it right, though.
how much hair did u lose?
Update
Dalia telephoned me out of the blue tonight. She said that her and Les are getting married (deserve each other) and that when people Google their names to find their wedding registry, this thread pops up. She politely asked that I delete it.
After reading through all 7 pages again, I have mixed feelings about whether or not to delete it. On the one hand, I did finally receive the merchandise. On the other, people should be wary of dealing with either of these two individuals. This thread simply contains the cold hard facts.
I'll leave it up to the Mods.
I'd leave the thread up as a warning to others. I only went through a couple pages and was shaking my head at what I saw. If they were at all reasonable, that would be different.
I don't think that anybody that you invite to a wedding will be googling your name to find out who you are...Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Meh, you updated the initial post to say you got the stuff. In red even :)Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
Your part is done.
If your data is correct you were not the first, nor will likely be the last that has been ripped off by these two.Quote:
Originally Posted by davsel
You were finally able to corner them, but I bet there is plenty of less persistent people that were not.
I was ripped off myself ONCE through Ebay and PayPal did not give me my money back either.
I say screw them, their wedding and their reputation.
Payback is a bitch.
^^^ ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Ridge
Fuck them. Their shitty business practices have consequences.
Agreed don't delete anything!
Piss on them. Don't like seeing negative shit on the net about your business practices, then practice better business.
Hope the turds regularly check back to this thread.
Sorry we dont delete threads here and individual members dont have the ability to delete threads on there own so I guess you are off the hook davsel
Keep posting on this thread about Les Fletcher of Plano Tx. It makes it pop up higher in the rankings on a google search. DOH!
Lol, think its funny his wife called to ask!Screw them, maybe they will rethink the way they treat honest people.Quote:
Originally Posted by colorider
And if the people I invite to my wedding are googling me for a "registry" there's a great chance their no one I'd be friends with. Sounds like a bitch move cause they know their fucked
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Les Fletcher of Plano Tx did what?!Quote:
Originally Posted by colorider
Wedding registry my ass. Employers are probably searching.
Bwahahaha... Les Fletcher of Plano Tx likes to _________________
Les Fletcher of Plano Tx ripped offQuote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
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Less Fletcher of Plano Tx and his future wife sound like ass clowns.
bumpQuote:
Originally Posted by colorider