School Shooting in KY

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Originally Posted by DOC

I don't really want to hurt anyone. But I can only be pushed so far before fighting back.

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People who have never been bullied truly don't do know the emotional and psychological wreckage one endures from being bullied.

Grades suffer, building friendships is hard, trusting people is even harder, having an intimate relationship, marriage, lack of confidence and I could talk all day about the fallout of being bullied.

Some people can put up with a lot. I put up with a hell of a lot in my primary education years. But others just can't take it. Everyone's breaking point is different and how people react when they reach that point is different.

Now, I've grown up a lot and I'm assertive enough thatI don't put up with it anymore and if I see bullying, I intervene. I don't care about their age, gender, size or circumstances or consequences.

I despise bullies and I personally have no issue with it when a bully is dispatched to their eternal dirt nap. If you play stupid games, you deserve to win stupid prizes.

Don't be a bully and karma won't bite you in your buttocks. If you're a bully, you're a pos, plain and simple. You're a few notches below Murderers, rapists, child molestors and woman beaters.

I hold thieves with higher regard than I do bullies. Absolutely ZERO sympathy for ANY bully who gets what they deserve.

I do have sympathy for the innocent people and families who end up being casualties when someone lashes out in the instance of the topic of this post.

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

My 2 cents here.

My stepson is in middle school. Last year he was being bullied for a while (never told me) and blurted out one day "stop [whatever the dick was doing] or I'll jump off the balcony". It was all verbal bullying shit. Nothing physical.

A full day of "mandatory" mental evaluation by the state before he was allowed to return to school, followed by a 2 hour conference at school. Fucking horseshit. Luckily the state deemed my son's mental condition acceptable and he was "released" to me. I couldn't fucking believe it when the woman actually said, "I've decided to release him to you". I bit my tongue and left without saying another word.

What happened to the bully? He was told to stop by the counseler. No detention or anything at all. A few minutes in her office and off he went. AYFKM?

I made it very clear that attorneys will be involved if this kid harasses my son at school again and nothing is done by the staff. Yes, he reported it to them before hand a few different times. Nothing was done. So please don't tell me it doesn't happen. Maybe you are a teacher and would have taken some action - good on you. There aren't enough like that.

BTW, my son had no intention of jumping off the balcony. It was a spur of the moment outburst to get this douchebag kid to stop tormenting him. He's one of the happiest people I know. Even the state authorized mental health evaluator said he seemed like a happy kid.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but I think the "look the other way" attitude is out there, big-time. Folks are afraid of being sued.

Also, I do think boys will be boys and told my son to never let anyone physically assault him and to whip their ass without a thought if they try. He might get in trouble at school for defending himself, but he'll get rewarded at home. I told the counseler that too and she was not happy. Too fucking bad.

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Glad that you stood up to them! Intervention doesnt havent to be physical or violent. Taking priveleges away from bullies, isolation, detention, suspension and expellation should be proper actions to curb the behavior. Make these little jerks go to counseling, not the one being bullied.


But this is exactly what happens. A kid gets bullied, he/she reacts and now the kid has to get a mental evaluation, be put on ritalin, see a counselor...and nothing happens to the bullies and the bullying continues.

I had a day my 6th grade year, the teacher laughing at me while two girls across from me called me names, taunted me and laughed at me. I had already finished my classwork and was sitting there quietly minding my own business reading a John Grisham book. I asked the teacher to ask them to stop and she coldly sneered at me and said no. I said fine, turned around and leaned across my desk and I smacked carrot top right across her face. Turned back to the teacher, pointed at her and said next time it'll be you. I got 2 days in school detention (which I was thankful for because it got me away from those cretins) and the school wanted to put me in a learning disability class. My dad told them to go pound sand and if they tried he would pull me out. So I had to go to counseling and be put on ritalin which did absolutely nothing.

Those two girls didnt bother me much anymore, but the one I didnt hit harassed my mom at Wal-Mart about her body weight about 4 years later. I won't say what happened to her a few weeks later after it happened, but I never had another problem with her again after that.

The bullying continued from other students until 11th grade when we moved and I went to a different high school and I enjoyed a quiet and peaceful final two years in high school with no bullying, no confrontations or fights. People didn't know me there. It was so nice.

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Originally Posted by Grant H.

Does bullying occur? Absolutely...

Guess what, kids will be kids... Sorry, but until you start lobotomizing (chemically or physically) society during infancy, it's not going to change. *ETA* Before anyone loses their mind, I am not suggesting that lobotomizing infants is an option or should ever be considered.

Do teachers condone it? Nope. (Said example of "teacher sat there and laughed at me" would be an outlier, not the norm)
Are they allowed to intervene? Hell no... They can't do anything without fear of being sued.
Are the school principals/administrators allowed to intervene? LOL... C'mon... Nope. They don't want sued either.

So, I guess this goes back to whether it's "allowed" or whether it just occurs...

It just occurs...

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This post shows how clueless you truly are in regards to the subject at hand.

If you think a kid emotionally and psychologically ruining another kid's well-being is just "kids being kids", you need to take a long look at your life and seek some education on the matter.


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Maybe they should just lower the age of compulsory education in Kentucky. 18 should be 16, if a big boy like that doesn't like school. I know I hated school and learned what aholes students and staff are sometimes. Sad story all around, kids killing kids.

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Originally Posted by O2HeN2

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That's probably where it will have to go to "get rid" of bullying...

Being from Sci-Fi doesn't mean it can't/won't happen...

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Originally Posted by CoGirl303

People who have never been bullied truly don't do know the emotional and psychological wreckage one endures from being bullied.

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Find me one person that hasn't been bullied, ever... That would be your only data point for this statement, but it doesn't exist.

So, while this is a nice platitude that sounds well thought out and useful, it is neither of those things.

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Originally Posted by CoGirl303

Now, I've grown up a lot and I'm assertive enough thatI don't put up with it anymore and if I see bullying, I intervene. I don't care about their age, gender, size or circumstances or consequences.

I despise bullies and I personally have no issue with it when a bully is dispatched to their eternal dirt nap. If you play stupid games, you deserve to win stupid prizes.

Don't be a bully and karma won't bite you in your buttocks. If you're a bully, you're a pos, plain and simple. You're a few notches below Murderers, rapists, child molestors and woman beaters.

I hold thieves with higher regard than I do bullies. Absolutely ZERO sympathy for ANY bully who gets what they deserve.

I do have sympathy for the innocent people and families who end up being casualties when someone lashes out in the instance of the topic of this post.

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Congratulations. You are now bullying the "bullies" that you hate so much. You are using their tactics (name calling, belittling, condoning violence against them, etc) and don't seem to have a problem with it.

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Originally Posted by CoGirl303

Those two girls didnt bother me much anymore, but the one I didnt hit harassed my mom at Wal-Mart about her body weight about 4 years later. I won't say what happened to her a few weeks later after it happened, but I never had another problem with her again after that.

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I'll refer you to the "Congratulations" line above...

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Originally Posted by CoGirl303

This post shows how clueless you truly are in regards to the subject at hand.

If you think a kid emotionally and psychologically ruining another kid's well-being is just "kids being kids", you need to take a long look at your life and seek some education on the matter.

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Clueless on the subject huh? I didn't realize that you knew me well enough to be privy to all the occurrences of my life...

I get it. You hate bullies, and want to blame them for atrocities like what occurred in KY. That's clear as day from what you typed.

But, there is no way to know what actually set this kid off. Period.

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Originally Posted by Grant H.

Congratulations. You are now bullying the "bullies" that you hate so much. You are using their tactics (name calling, belittling, condoning violence against them, etc) and don't seem to have a problem with it.

I get it. You hate bullies, and want to blame them for atrocities like what occurred in KY. That's clear as day from what you typed.

But, there is no way to know what actually set this kid off. Period.

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You're right, I don't have a problem with it at all. The world has a long history of standing up to bullies and using force to do it with, so there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that, in fact it's NOBLE if anything, the cause is NOBLE and it's JUSTIFIED. USA did it to Iraq when they invaded Kuwait. We did it for the Jews when the NAZI's exterminated 6 million of them, we should have done it to Russia when Stalin was slaughtering 20 million of his own people. I don't go picking on people to pick on them, harrass them, frighten them, intimidate them or make their life miserable to get joy out of it. I pick on those who pick on others to give them a taste of their medicine and curb the behavior or stop it and to stand up for those who are weaker.
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If I had my way, I'd make it a punishable crime for people who stand by and watch and do nothing when someone is being bullied or attacked. We all as humans have a moral obligation to stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves.

Colorado has a justifiable form of violent anti-bullying and it's called 3rd party defense (when it comes to the use of lethal force anyways.)
http://www.moffatcountysheriff.com/CoStatutes.pdf



You're right, we don't know what set him off. It could be bullying, it could be something else. I wasn't specifically speaking about this kid, was just speaking in general.

I wasn't the smallest kid in school. I was really fit with broad shoulders (competitive swimming since 4-years old can do that), but I was really shy and meek.

I was taught not to fight and to turn the other cheek. I was raised with the understanding "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me." One of my parents directives was to never start a fight. It's not the Christian thing to do. If I was ever in a fight, the first questions I'd be asked were, "Who started it?" and "Who threw the first punch?" I got bullied, because I wouldn't respond to their taunts, so they felt they could push me around.

I never started a fight, but I ended every one that I was in. Ended up breaking my hand, twice. (Heads are hard, but they have a hole in the front of them that spews words making them such an attractive target.)

Yet, I never got aggressive toward anyone that wasn't trying to physically harm me or someone I cared about. I also never misdirected my anger and randomly shot my classmates at school.

Pecking orders are in the DNA of pretty much all animals, often determining the opportunity to reproduce for those at the top of the order. As much as we want to *think* that our society is "too advanced" for such behavior, it will happen.

Raising snowflakes, the everyone gets a trophy mentality, and that feelings are the the most important thing to human development/survival are misguided. Life is tough. Competition is good. Words are not actions.

ETA: COGIRL303, I simply can't fathom how you can relate "bullying" to the Nazi Holocaust.

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

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I'm in shock at how closely related our stories are. Such a small world truthfully.

I echo your last sentence. Cold-blooded murder is NEVER justifiable nor excusable, nor should it be condoned when it comes to retaliating for bullying however, I can understand why it came to happen. But with my experiences, I can't find it in myself to be sympathetic nor empathetic when a bully's life is taken.

What I can and always will sympathize and empathize with is the innocent people who die who had nothing to do with any of it at all and their families that are affected. That's what breaks my heart and I don't understand hurting people who did nothing to you.

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Originally Posted by Gman

ETA: COGIRL303, I simply can't fathom how you can relate "bullying" to the Nazi Holocaust.

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In a sense that's exactly what it was but worse, it was the genocidal bullying of a group of humans because they were deemed not genetically pure. They would stop Jews in the street, ask for papers, shoot them on sight, rape them, gas them, burn them alive, beat them, shave their heads, they were screamed at, forced to work for free to carry out NAZI orders, the guards allowed their dogs to attack them. Read enough of the stories, listen to the podcasts on your iphone or android podcast app, and listen to the harrowing tales. It was the intimidation of those people by any means necessary. Most of us just view it from a different perspective and we don't think about it in these terms.

Holocaust = genocide, Hitler's "final solution". Grade school bullying doesn't compare.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Holocaust = genocide, Hitler's "final solution". Grade school bullying doesn't compare.

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Perhaps it doesn't. Hitler elevated it to such a degree that it's difficult to see that the underlying roots of evil are the same.

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Originally Posted by Gman

Holocaust = genocide, Hitler's "final solution". Grade school bullying doesn't compare.

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not on the same level no. but it was bullying that then led to genocide.

Either way, both bullies and the NAZI's took/take pleasure in seeing others suffer mentally, emotionally, psychologically and physically. It's all about control and power over others.

Sadly we see it in society every single day. [emoji20] That's the bottom line.


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