School Shooting in KY

[Irving]

Uh, care to back this up with actual fact and information?

Because I don't believe for a second that school admin/teachers "condone" bullying...

I don't have a comment in this thread except for that there is a pretty recent documentary all about this. Probably worth checking out if you can't fathom how bullying would be allowed in schools.

[Gman]

there's never a "justification" for something like this, but there are "explanations" as to why this happened, what caused it, what led to this to happen.

You have a very different definition of "explanations" than I or Merriam-Webster.

[Grant H.]

Does bullying occur? Absolutely...

Guess what, kids will be kids... Sorry, but until you start lobotomizing (chemically or physically) society during infancy, it's not going to change. *ETA* Before anyone loses their mind, I am not suggesting that lobotomizing infants is an option or should ever be considered.

Do teachers condone it? Nope. (Said example of "teacher sat there and laughed at me" would be an outlier, not the norm)
Are they allowed to intervene? Hell no... They can't do anything without fear of being sued.
Are the school principals/administrators allowed to intervene? LOL... C'mon... Nope. They don't want sued either.

So, I guess this goes back to whether it's "allowed" or whether it just occurs...

It just occurs...

[Grant H.]

Either way...

Bullied or not, that doesn't justify, answer, explain, rationalize, or add any other form of clarity to why a scum bag would take a gun to school and kill friends/teachers...

[DOC]

Is anyone blaming the media for glorifying it and causing copycats? They don't talk about teen suicide because of copycats but they promote mass shootings like they are daring the retards out there to do better.

[GilpinGuy]

My 2 cents here.

My stepson is in middle school. Last year he was being bullied for a while (never told me) and blurted out one day "stop [whatever the dick was doing] or I'll jump off the balcony". It was all verbal bullying shit. Nothing physical.

A full day of "mandatory" mental evaluation by the state before he was allowed to return to school, followed by a 2 hour conference at school. Fucking horseshit. Luckily the state deemed my son's mental condition acceptable and he was "released" to me. I couldn't fucking believe it when the woman actually said, "I've decided to release him to you". I bit my tongue and left without saying another word.

What happened to the bully? He was told to stop by the counseler. No detention or anything at all. A few minutes in her office and off he went. AYFKM?

I made it very clear that attorneys will be involved if this kid harasses my son at school again and nothing is done by the staff. Yes, he reported it to them before hand a few different times. Nothing was done. So please don't tell me it doesn't happen. Maybe you are a teacher and would have taken some action - good on you. There aren't enough like that.

BTW, my son had no intention of jumping off the balcony. It was a spur of the moment outburst to get this douchebag kid to stop tormenting him. He's one of the happiest people I know. Even the state authorized mental health evaluator said he seemed like a happy kid.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but I think the "look the other way" attitude is out there, big-time. Folks are afraid of being sued.

Also, I do think boys will be boys and told my son to never let anyone physically assault him and to whip their ass without a thought if they try. He might get in trouble at school for defending himself, but he'll get rewarded at home. I told the counseler that too and she was not happy. Too fucking bad.

[DOC]

I used to get bullied in school and walking home. And I never fought back. I would get home and get bullied by my older sister and older brothers. Around 14 yo I got tired of it and fought back against my sister and picked her up and threw her over the couch. With very little effort too. I never thought that the first few punches hurt that bad so when I fought back against bullys they didn't hurt me but I would bloody noses and kicked balls and they were brought down very easy. Bullying hasn't been a problem on the street for a very long time. Being bullied by politicians still happens and when I fight back their little mincy balls always shrivle up and they run away. I am just not scared anymore either. Its quite peaceful too. I don't really want to hurt anyone. But I can only be pushed so far before fighting back. I think I only lost one fight and it was bad when he cheated and used a mid eights Murcury Tempo and ran me over. I have had back pain ever since. But it healed and I am still fighting for myself and other people that get pushed around too. I don't give a fuck usually comes to mind. The other day a woman was getting beat by her husband and I didn't have a gun a phone dick. And I chanced him down and his friends caught up. But I starred them down and they left. Very scary to be out numbered 4 to one. But I was going fight dirty though. Kick balls, throw grocery carts and scratch eyes. But it ended without a fight. And the woman got away. YMMV.

[DOC]

That was some deep dark secrets I let show there. I hope it helps. Sorry about the typos. However, I just had to let it out before I lost my nerve.

[O2HeN2]

Sorry, but until you start lobotomizing (chemically or physically) society during infancy, it's not going to change.

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[Martinjmpr]

WRT "bullying" how is this defined?

Let's face it, kids can be little assholes sometimes. I probably was when I was a kid. I'll bet most of you were, too. It's part of being human.

They're kids, they don't have fully developed personalities and empathy is something people have to learn. As is the ability to deal with people who are acting like assholes.

Where do you draw the line between normal asshole kid behavior and "bullying?" And where do you draw the line between "protecting kids from bullying" and "preventing kids from learning how to be adults and deal with assholes?"

If kids are protected from having to deal with obnoxious asshole behavior, what are they going to do once they get kicked out the door and into the real world? That would be a major shock for them if they never developed the skills to deal with rude, obnoxious jerks in real life.