Couple of ??'s About 'Registration' of Firearms

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Originally Posted by jim

Regarding Multiple purchases. That form is for HAND GUN MULTIPLE PURCHASES ONLY. NO LONG GUNS. PLEASE GET IT RIGHT. You can walk in buy 2 AR's 1 12ga and 1 hand gun. No forms are filled out besides the 4473. Now you buy 2 hand guns with in a 7 day period, then a Multiple purchase form is done and LE notified.

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Good info; I did not know this. Thanks, Jim!

So is there anything reasonable behind this policy, or just another attempt at control?

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Originally Posted by jim

Regarding Multiple purchases. That form is for HAND GUN MULTIPLE PURCHASES ONLY. NO LONG GUNS. PLEASE GET IT RIGHT. You can walk in buy 2 AR's 1 12ga and 1 hand gun. No forms are filled out besides the 4473. Now you buy 2 hand guns with in a 7 day period, then a Multiple purchase form is done and LE notified.

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"In August 2011, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) initiated the Multiple Sales Reporting (MSR) requirement for certain rifles. MSR requires federal firearms licensees (FFL), specifically dealers and pawnbrokers, in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas to submit reports of multiple sales or other dispositions to an unlicensed individual of two or more rifles within five consecutive business days having the following characteristics: (1) semiautomatic; (2) a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 mm); and (3) the ability to accept detachable magazines. The National Tracing Center advised FFLs in the four border states that the program was being implemented to assist in investigating and combating the illegal movement of firearms along and across the Southwest border."

There are some tin-foil hat types who believe that this was done to test the legal waters for this to be done nationwide.. They believe that because the original wording was indeed for all FFLs nationwide -- and after some uproar they backed down to just the southern states.

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Originally Posted by Teufelhund

Good info; I did not know this. Thanks, Jim!

So is there anything reasonable behind this policy, or just another attempt at control?

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ATFs public position: http://www.atf.gov/publications/fact...reporting.html

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Originally Posted by asmotao

ATFs public position: http://www.atf.gov/publications/fact...reporting.html

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That's as mentioned b4 for southern border states Not CO. Not to say that ruling would not be extended nation wide at any given time.

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Originally Posted by OneGuy67

While I don't know where you are getting your information, that hasn't been my experience with dealing with a firearm search. Most of my searches literally take several weeks to over a month to get back from the ATF and when I inquire why, I'm told it is all done by hand search of records. The only searches that come back quickly are recently purchased firearms, where it is a call to the manufacturer leading to a call to the dealer who sold it.

Again, I'm not disparaging your information, it just hasn't been my experience nor my conversations with ATF.

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From what I heard, and this was a former ATF clerk who now works for an FFL in TX (not sure how true but wouldn't surprise me)- the ATF has boxes and boxes of records stored in former conference rooms that would justify why it takes so long to get records checked... Just what I heard- and I'm not saying it's gospel so no one need to resort to name calling. [Coffee]

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Originally Posted by jim

We're talking Data base for gun registration not CCW info. Pay attention!

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Easy buddy- it was a two parter, slightly related, I know what we were talking about... I point you to the part after my quote that you bolded: "Then he said when they run your license/bgc they can see a list of all the firearms you own because of the 4473." <-False info on this particular LEO's part, like spqrzilla said- either he's BS expecting not to get caught or is just ignorant.

Does an FFL require the serial number prior to starting BG? If so why?