How do you know he's doing what he must, if you have no idea what the officer is doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
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How do you know he's doing what he must, if you have no idea what the officer is doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Ok coloccw put your current self in this exact situation. You have done absolutely nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, you're in a car, and a police office has a rifle pointed at you(or close), because a suspect is on the loose.
Are you ok with this? Just a simple yes or no will do.
Yep. An officer pointing a weapon near someone is a safety measure, not a threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
A safety measure for them, not for me. I thought it was supposed to be about my safety? It is a threat for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Think about it in the reverse - what if there's a fake cop going around murdering people. I take it upon myself to point a gun at every cop I see until I determine they're not the culprit. "But it's for safety! My doing this is not a threat!" Yeah, it's for my safety alone, and a huge threat to the person I'm pointing the gun at. I don't think this would last long.
But why would the cops even get mad, since they do this to everyone and the person they point the gun at is supposed to be grateful?
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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
This is one of the most ridiculous statements i've heard in awhile. If you for one second, think anybody WANTS to protect a child molester, you are crazy. Society has said "we want to rehabilitate offenders". It would be nearly impossible to try and rehabilitate Joshua Carrier, without some sort of "special accommodations".
With that said, please don't confuse the above statement with me agreeing with special accommodations, i'm just saying the way it is. It's ridiculous to think that anybody is trying to "protect their own", for any other reason than rehabilitation.
What you are saying is ridiculous. He is getting special treatment because he was a cop. Get real! So what prison is he in? You tell me! Are we safe from this guy?
Just answer this, why isn't he on the list? (Answer:Because he is former LEO)
I don't see it as much as protecting him as it is protecting the tax-payer.
Did I say anything disagreeing with your statement?Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
No, reread my response. You make it out to be some sort of protection because he's a "brother in blue" or some sentimental bond.
It's the state of Colorado's job to protect offenders and rehabilitate them, if being former LEO means they have to make special accommodations, then that's what they will do to get the job done, not because he's "one of their own" or some other BS.
I cannot tell you where the guy is, and you can determine if you feel safe from him or not.
Good article about The Militarization of America's Police Forces from the Cato Institute (pdf).
O2
Wow....Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
The rules of firearm safety do not ever change. You never point it at something you aren't willing to destroy. That applies to everyone, even cops.
Cool. So is grabbing your pubic, and your wives private areas by the TSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
The rules and law are different for law enforcement, than for average citizens! So much for equal application of the law, just proves Orwell was right. (Animal Farm)
You keep telling yourself that...Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
It could be that he has been moved out of state for his protection if he has been handed over to the private prison people.
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Who says the cop isn't willing to destroy me? He doesn't know my intentions, especially after 4 other LE were just injured. You can't have total security and absolute freedom at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
If you don't like the procedures, then don't fly. No one is forcing you to get on a plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I'll take total freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Everyone knows only they are professional enough.
Thank you coloccw; I do believe you just have shown your true colors...Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
It's not "doing what he must" that I am criticizing - it's the very likely potential that he didn't "must" that.
And if you are a cop that's pissed off at how people perceive you, then YOU should take that anger out on the assholes who are ensuring that the only interaction you have with decent folk bears a striking resemblance to highway robbery.
Maybe save some of the anger for your those few of your coworkers who are pimps,drug dealers, child rapists, and murderers. These are the people who are ensuring that you will never have anything but a negative balance in your moral high ground account.
You keep quoting like you could provoke me...LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
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Originally Posted by coloccw
So you are fine starring down the barrel of a gun that a cop is holding?
You ever see the Cali shootouts or the other numerous videos of police shootouts or even encounters where they have negligent discharges in classrooms or while attempting to hold someone at gunpoint?
If you are okay with that you are a total dumbass. Like I said...the rules of firearms Dont change no matter who it is and how much training they have.
We have a "winning" statement!Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Yep...with just a few posts you have me all figured out. It is ironic that in your profile you quote Patton, "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking." yet when someone disagrees with how you think you resort to insults. I believe it is you who has shown your true colors....or lack thereof rather.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
...and yet you probably scream "don't judge all gun owners on the actions of a few crazy people" after every active shooter event and every RMGO rally. I'm comfortable with sworn LE pointing a firearm at me, following all safety rules, knowing that I will not be engaged as I am not a threat to them. You're not ok with it, that's fine. Some of us have nothing to hide so it doesn't bother us.Quote:
Originally Posted by sniper7
Flame away, I'm out...as I said before, way too much tinfoil in here.
I don't think that coloccw is advocating that he prefers more security to less freedom, he is just relating a cold hard fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by <MADDOG>
There is a disconnect between what he is seeing and what others are seeing. Coloccw is perfectly comfortable with someone in the position of a police officer to be holding a rifle in a low ready position while facing coloccw, but the rifle not pointing at him.
What he says about security and freedom is true. The issue arises in that even if the gentleman in the vehicle prefers more freedom than security, he (or any of us) is not in the position to opt out at that moment.
No clue what you are talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
I don't pretend to have anyone figured out. However; by the wording of your posts, you are perfectly content with a police state, which myself, and obviously others on this thread, have a very hard problem with. How else is one to take your comments?Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
I am glad you are content with a barrel at your noggin, and you have nothing to hide. There is a reason some of the people on this board distrust LE in both situations, and I am one of them. It goes back to the old adage "trust but verify". Does that make me a NWA member? No. But it doesn't make me drink the "all LE is good" flavor-aid either...Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
Thank you Irving, and if that is coloccw's attitude, he should convey it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Lastly, I do not profess to be a "cop basher" by any means (ref: post #77). However, the perception of the public, and some on this board, is that the lines of some LE and the military are beginning to blur...
You two are crossing streams, but too stubborn to see it...[ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyaLZHiJJnE
3 reasons if I've done nothing wrong I have a problem with having LEO point a weapon at or almost at me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfNV9bJoSg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUs_6yTcLW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxWWJaTEdD0
yes in 2 of the 3 they were arresting suspects but ND's happen. and I'd prefer the weapon was not pointed at ME ( or almost at me) when they happen. I avoid this by not doing anything to get an officer to point his weapon at me. but if I'm just driving to work and get caught up in something ( the original premise of the thread) WHY should I just be ok with it when things like in these three videos happens?
Meanwhile in other news... http://www.khq.com/story/19965150/co...his-patrol-car
And it ends like this... http://www.kasa.com/news/local/state...hot-with-taser
Huge disconnect between the hundreds of millions of people out there with no training and no sworn duty and police who took an oath to protect and serve.Quote:
Originally Posted by coloccw
I scream out that those people need to be judged for their actions not all gun owners. Just as I am saying this guy needs to be judged for his actions, not all police.
The safety rules state to not aim a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy. He broke the rules and you are okay with it. That is the bottom line and the type of thinking that got us to this point. How deep does it go? They cuff everyone coming through and search everyone's car? You have nothing to hide right....
Personally I worry less about terrorists than gangs. I completed the local "Citizen's Police Academy" earlier this year and while there was discussion/information given regarding terrorism, the larger emphasis was on drug trafficing and gang activity. When you see some of the weaponry that drug cartels and gangs have and use, it helps understand why local PD's need to up-armor. To a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavieD55
For myself, if someone, anyone, points a weapon at me, they are a threat to me. I don't care if they have a uniform, shiny badges, official patches, etc. If I am obeying the law, cooperating with their requests/commands and not being threatening or confrontational, there is NO reason for a weapon to be pointed at me. Pointing the weapon at low ready near me, fine, especially if there has been some recent activity that has them on 'high alert'.
Now if I perform some act that is threatening, fine point the weapon at me since I deserve it.
But even if I refuse to comply with requests/commands, as long as I am being polite and non-threatening, there is NO reason to have a weapon pointed in my face.
BTW - Police officers are human therefore fallible and capable of making a mistake just like any of us. We have seen more than enough examples of law enforcement officers making mistakes, bad judgement calls or just plain being tools, that result in injury or death of innocent people. Also, firearms are mechanical devices capable of mechanical failure, that are manufactured, assembled and maintained by said fallible humans. The only guarantee of not shooting an innocent person is to not point a weapon at them. As my mom taught me about shooting starting at age 2, "Don't point a gun at anything you don't plan on killing".
That's insane. Even more insane is how many officers nationwide would agree with doing the same thing. Pack mentality at its worst. Like wolves attacking a sheep, or a gang of Hells Angels all stomping the shit out of one guy for some mistakenly perceived insult or slight. "All on one, one on all". The smell of blood in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Actually there are rules and laws that are different for LE. Have you read up on Title 42? 42-4-108 gives LE and other emergency vehicles special permissions. Use of certain types of force are allowed to LE to affect an arrest. It's not Orwellian or sinister- it's due to the nature of the job. It's not about equal application of the law- as LE does have to follow all laws, there are just exceptions due to the permissions we give to those who enforce the law. Don't look at it as the bad thing you think- we grant those who swore to protect, serve, and enforce our laws special permissions to effectively do their job... Or we could just follow the French and start lopping heads off, if you prefer...Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
The analogy of equal force of law for those who enforce it is flawed. A better analogy is that when a police officer decides to taze himself the outcome is similar to when they taze a suspect...but then again why would you ever taze yourself?
And if you feel the need to defend against this version of the analogy, good - so long as your deeds match your words. In fact, if you want to sit down to a beer sometime and talk about that time you shot a fellow officer when you came around the corner and found him raping that chick I buy ya a round. Provided you don't have to stick a gun in my mouth to feel safe.
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http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/co...y-emoticon.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by vectorsc
So when you see a vehicle matching the description of a purp, you just unload your weapons into it? WOW!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
There were alot of cops involved, or someone reloaded a couple of times.
It didn't even match. Wrong color and make/model. Shoot first, identify second.Quote:
Originally Posted by lpgasman
Those houses you see in the distance? Yeah, those got peppered too.
Chicago PD wears the city flag (four red stars between two blue stripes, symbolizing the two rivers flowing. As through the city, on white field) on one shoulder, and a department patch on the other. I've seen lots of state seals, but no state flags, on shoulders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
As for everybody being a critic...anybody who needs to be liked should consider becoming a kitten-from-tree rescuer instead. Being the police guarantees that damn near nobody will ever like you, no matter how smart or honest you are. It's just the nature of the business.