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Let the fun begin! :(
Gander Mountain shows in stock and being able to pick up in store in Thornton. $230/420rnds, I think, if you are looking you can check for yourself.
Who was the senator that pressed the ATF on the 5.45x39 ban a few months back? Seems like we need to be contacting and putting pressure on our congressmen as well on this issue, the spirit of the original law and as is clearly written refers to ammunition/cartridges specifically designed for use in handguns.
There is now a White House Petition to stop the ban:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ition/XrvVh1cj
If everyone signs it and shares the link to the petition we might be able to stop the ban.
Signed and forwarded to friends and family.
Hahahaha, thanks, I needed a good laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by EvolvingTactical
Is that a petition or a dissident list? Will I get a visit from ATF now to determine if I'm "properly" storing any guns and ammo I may or may not have? Somehow giving the white house a list of names that are pro gun just seems wrong.
$300 for 420 rounds on armslist if anyone is interested.
That's a steal! I just saw 70 rounds listed for $300Quote:
Originally Posted by DEAGLER
Some in the trading post, seems the panic is in full swing. Whooray!!
Yup!Quote:
Originally Posted by 02ducky
You just posted this on a gun forum where you have 466 posts... Pretty sure they know you exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
I picked up 270 rds from wally world Saturday for $90. Wont pay panic prices for it.
Yes, but to post here I didn't have to enter my full name and email address and send it directly to the white house. I'm sure they can find me but I don't want to make it too easy for them to make a hit list.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Plus, with your avatar, they'd probably just go after your dog, which would be just as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
If they wanted your info it wouldn't be terribly hard for them to obtain. So I don't think having to enter basic info for a petition is that big of a deal.
Just imagine if they had a form with my name, date of birth, address and firearm purchase on it. Glad that doesn't exist.
Thanks for the tip. Just bought some and used a 10% off coupon!!Quote:
Originally Posted by cableguy11
I don't have a dog, my avatar is a picture of Eddie.
My bad, I forgot about the 10% off. Free shipping too, at least yesterday was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samurai
Yeah I almost did the free shipping but then decided to go pick up in store. Last time I ordered ammo from them it was all broke open. Granted this comes in a can...not paper boxesQuote:
Originally Posted by cableguy11
You running a VPN?Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
All they need is your IP address. Your ISP already has your name (or someone in your home), address, phone number (or a few numbers), likely your email, social security number, and credit card info.
Well, I had to register for the draft when I was 18, I have worked for a manufacturing subcontractor that required a security clearance, twice. I have sent emails, made phone calls and written letters to my congressional rep's and to the white house, paid taxes to state and federal government, signed multiple petitions to the government, joined the NRA, GOA NAGR, RMGO, passed numerous firearms purchase background checks, flown to the UK many times, flown all over the US, been called up for jury duty many times in state and federal courts, acquired a CCW in CO and FL, I am serving on the Larimer County District Attorney's community relations commission and posted a lot of times here. I am not paranoid about the government having my information, they have had it for almost all of my life. They are probably bored with me by now.
TEA baby, TEA!
III
Even VPN may not be secure WebRTC:Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
https://www.privateinternetaccess.co...ivate-i#latest
Why do I feel like this is the authoritarian power providing the false perception of caring about what the people actually want??Quote:
Originally Posted by EvolvingTactical
Signed it anyway.
You used your real name and email address? [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
Check this out: You get to create unlimited "fake" email addresses that forward on to your actual address. You can shut down any of the "fake" accounts at any time. https://www.abine.com/index.html
Also, with your IP address, they probably already know who you are and where you are. unless you're using VPNs, virtual machines, etc.
EDIT: Looks like 00tec beat me to it on the IP address point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaIIChRMBw
CONTACT THE BATF:
ATF email: APAComments@atf.gov
Fax: (202) 648-9741.
Mail: Denise Brown, Mailstop 6N-602, Office of Regulatory Affairs, Enforcement Programs and Services, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, 99 New York Avenue, NE, Washington, DC 20226: ATTN: AP Ammo Comments.
***I had to remove the petition link because that's all people were doing is signing the petition which doesn't really help us in this fight***
SAMPLE LETTER:
To whom it may concern,
I am writing to voice my strong opposition to the proposed change to current law that would make it illegal to manufacture, import or sell on the open market M855 / SS109 ammunition.
The claimed purpose of this change is to “protect the lives and safety of law enforcement officers from the threat posed by ammunition capable of penetrating a protective vest when fired from a handgun”.
As the Technical Branch well knows, all rifle ammunition of a common caliber such as .223 / 5.56 is capable of penetrating threat level IIA and IIIA body armor regardless of the firearm that is used to fire it. M855 / SS109 is no more of a threat to law enforcement than M193 or Horandy VMAX loads are.
It’s also worth noting that rifle caliber pistols are rarely used in violent crime, their usage is a statistical zero for all practical purposes, which further begs the question as to why this proposed rule change is being considered.
Banning the availability of affordable surplus ammunition under the false pretense that it’s in the name of officer safety is a clear violation of our 2nd Amendment rights.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
FULL NAME
CITY / STATE
Thank you mahkcod. Email sent.
If you want to obfuscate your IP try using TOR.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoneyBadger
This is why I like it hear on this site. No matter what the subject, in short order the topic will move to a post dissection with just a smattering of the original topic thrown in.[Sarcasm2]
They have so many ways to track and categorize us that a name on a petition doesn't mean anything at this point.
Break out the tin foil.
There's really not much to say about the OT anymore. That is, unless you just want to say they're a bunch of turkey fuckers. BATFE = Big Ass Turkey Fuckers...and explosivesQuote:
Originally Posted by Big E3
Everyone, please send an email to APAComments@atf.gov. Or send 10 emails. Send emails from each email address you have!
This, and contacting your representatives, is our only way to voice our opposition at this point in the game.
FIFY!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthulhu
Obama only ever said they would read and respond to petitions getting over a threshold number of signatures (25,000?). He never said they'd take any action and in fact he basically thumbed his nose at petitions demanding he come clean on things they've been covering up. petitions.whitehouse.gov is just there as a figleaf so they can pursue the agenda they want while claiming the citizenry asked for it.
.223 is now the new .22lr
BTW
What type of bullet do the federal 55gr bulk packs at walmart use?
See post #21Quote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
Full Metal Jacket Boat-TailQuote:
Originally Posted by electronman1729
Signed the petition and emailing elected officials and scumbags as well.