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You got a point... I would add "LOOK" into the screening too. Tada, you just screen out 90% of the terrorists. Richard Reid failed to detonate because he looked extremely suspicious and got kicked out from the previous flight. The 24 hour delay is the reason why the shoe did not detonate. Profiling saved lifes in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
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should bring a yearly physical form for them to sign when they're doneQuote:
Originally Posted by StagLefty
Interfering with a federal official in the course of their duties er some shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
If that wont stick I'm Sure they will find some other ambiguous bullshit to stick you with.
You give the government an inch, and they will take a mile.
Do I have any answers about solving the problem of airport security, while keeping everbody happy: I'm sorry to say that I don't.
But I believe the problem with the private parts patdowns by the TSA goons is not going to last very long, because of the public furor and it's already in the courts with two pilots of a private air company challenging the patdowns.
Radio talk show host, and White House reporter, Lester Consolveing challenged W.H. press sec. GIBBS with the question that why homosexuals should be allowed as TSA Patdowners. Les said on his talk show last night "that homosexuals should be screened out with investigations in their history and on their employment application forms."
Les also said that "I don't want to be groped by a homosexual."
I'm against racial or cultural profiling by airport screeners. If we had that system, all the white people would freely walk thru security, while the rest: blacks, hispanics, Middle Eastern types would be subject to more advanced searches.
Erno
You forgot the Asian! The model minority [ROFL1] BTW.. by definition middle eastern are Caucasian.
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The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid[1]) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia
Yep, just look at Jesus, he was TOTALLY a white guy!Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
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Yeah, Ron Paul also pointed this out and I concur.Quote:
Originally Posted by ERNO
I believe that if anyone should be excempted from any sort of screening its the pilots. They have control of the plane already and we give them a gun. Where's the logic?
So let's see... anyone that "looks" like a Muslim right?? Okay, look for long bushy beards, very long shirts with pot bellies, they might be hiding explosives. Do any of these guys look like they might fit that description?
http://www.reddirtreport.com/images/...1hijackers.jpg
So do we just broad brush anyone who looks like they're from the Middle East all the way to Burma? There are many people who are of Middle Eastern descent that you wouldn't even know unless you asked, not even their names give them away. And what of someone who is Israeli but they look Arabic? Are we to also curb the right of law abiding Muslim Americans or anyone who happens to be the wrong shade of tan? People can also change their "race" by clothing, hair, facial hair, etc.
Let's not forget about John Walker Lindh, sounds like a good ol' boy's kinda name. Till he decided to go to Afghanistan and oppose the US troops. The point is a professional terrorist will do what they will and exploit weaknesses vs. a complete noob who's just guzzling religious rhetoric from a fanatical group and fails at their mission. Don't forget that just because an enemy is known to use one well known tactic that it is the only tactic they have. Terrorists are terrorists regardless of what religion/cause they hide behind.
Government and logic aren't usually used as synonyms. [Muaha]Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
MB888, do you mean Asian as in east Asians, such as Chinese, Japanese, Korean? Or are you including south Asians, such as those from India, Bangladesh, Nepal? Both tend to be called the model minority. I fall into the latter half hence why the topic kinda fires me up more so than others.
Maybe just start Muslim Air, non muslims can't fly theirs and they can't fly any other.
Heard Virgin air is going to change it's name.
Yeah! You're right. With names like Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi it would've been impossible to guess that they were secretly Islamic terrorists. I mean, come on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
As an aside, why the fuck do we give green cards to people from countries like Saudi Arabia and Yemen? Did the British bring Boers to London by the boatload during the Boer Wars? It doesn't make sense.
Anton, yes these people had Muslim names, but what if say they chose to use a Hindu name on fake IDs? Some of them could also pass as being from India vs. being Middle Eastern.
Then that at least adds the possibility that their fake IDs will be discovered and they will go straight to jail, interrupting whatever plot they may have been involved in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
Groping nuns and three year olds does absolutely nothing to add to our security. El Al's track record proves that profiling works and they don't even have to feel you up.
[ROFL1] All asian look the same to you too I bet. [Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
I agree groping three year olds is disgusting, as for nuns depends on if the woman has a fetish for it or is a stripper. [Muaha]
I don't know much about El Al, guess I'll do some reading there. Also, fake IDs aren't always caught.
MB888 other way around, most white people can't tell us apart. Unless it involves blowing up another country, most born Americans don't even know much about geography and that's from personal experience.
I didn't realize you were an expert on fake IDs. I'm thankful that you bring such amazing knowledge as 'Arabs look like Indians' and 'fake IDs aren't always caught' to the debate. You've really opened my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Epyon
I fly every single week for work. Sure I have a choice not to fly...that same choice will cost me my job.
I couldn't care less if some a-hole behind a computer screen sees some black-and-white holloas junk. I couldn't care less if someone gives me a pat down...if they have good reason. That's the key to me. This is about our constitution. And since when is it ok to give unwarranted virtual strip searches of people without cause? What is this nation coming to? This is a major slippery slope and I believe it is in DIRECT violation of our great constitution and can't believe people are more upset about some radiation or someone seeing their boobies.
You do not give up your rights by buying a plane ticket. It is the Federal Government requiring and performing the body scans and pat downs...not a private company that requires it in order to use their services. Our own government continues to blatantly violate our constitutional rights.
It's not hard to imagine these same "precautions" can translate into searching our houses without warrants. Or that some terrorist will put a bomb up his ass and then they'll require full cavity searches to fly...'as a precaution people, why are you getting so upset? We're doing this to protect you.'
This is how it happens. We give up some of our hard fought freedoms so Uncle Sam can give us protection. A little more here and a little more there and we're all going to stand around and look at each other and ask "where'd it go."
Well, we gave it up so the government could protect us, don't you remember?
If you believe in your country, your constitution and what it means, this should outrage you even if you don't fly.
Anton, any time! I'll totally make yours say McLovin' Jihad-sauce Windsor Helmsley III. :D (Of course I say it all in good fun.) We can run theories all day, but I'd say why not just let EVERYONE carry on board?
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Originally Posted by Epyon
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I'm Sorry, what I meant to say is, really?
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Originally Posted by Epyon
Oh, and one more point. Sure you have a choice to not go through the body scanner or pat down and therefore not fly...but if you go to the airport, stand in line and then choose not to fly so you don't have to get a pat down...$11,000 dollar fine coming your way for not completing the security procedure. Let the government give you an unwarranted search or pay them $11,000...seems right to me.
Oh, for fuck's sake. Profiling extends a little further than just what someone looks like. Or their name. That's just a place to start...not the ending.
And another thing. Why the FUCK do the pilots have to go through this shit. What the hell do they need to smuggle a box cutter onto a plane for when they have the controls! They don't need any weapons on board, they can just fly the plane into the ground if they wanted to commit a terrorist act.
I propose a change to the old cliche, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
From now on it should be something along the lines of, "I'm from the government and I'm here to sexually assault you, take more than what I should from your pay to give to others who may or may not deserve it, subject you to continual constitutional rights violations and generally fuck things up for you and yours for generations to come...all in the name of safety and equality, of course."
you forgot that we GIVE THEM A GUN ON THE PLANE!Quote:
Originally Posted by hollohas
so yeah, all about the wtf...
As far as groping pilots goes...
EgyptAir Flight 990 Air "Accident" Brief
He didn't need a boxcutter.
You said give them special screening if their name sounds Muslim, or they "look" Muslim. My point was Richard Reid didn't have a Muslim name. Looks really are not going to help you either, unless you have a keen eye for discerning who's a Muslim Pakistani and who's a Hindi Indian, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
We've already hashed this detail to death in the "Profiling is a good idea" thread. They should have stopped Reid or given him special inspections not because he was Muslim or because he looked funny, but because they had intelligence that this guy was a threat. The failure to connect those dots is just another example of failures in security where it's important, and an abundance of "security" where it looks important.
I did think of a good use for all these backscatter x-ray machines, they could be used to scan 100% of what's going into the hold on a plane. A lot of what's down there isn't related to any passengers on board.
How many of you would fly an airline that had zero security? Or even better, spent that money on making sure their aircraft had absolutely perfect maintenance records? And what if you could fly armed? Sign me up.
H.
And making them go through the Xray Dick Measuring Device™ would have affected the outcome exactly how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anton
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by TFOGGER
Also,
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/saudi-suicide-bomber-hid-ied-his-anal-cavity
Just something else to think about...
On that same note, whats to prevent someone from surgically implanting them in a suicide bomber?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anton
"OK, you wont need This much intestine, This Kidney is Extra, Replace Kidney with Kidney shaped C-4, Intestines with Intestine shaped C-4... remember, when you get on the plane just stick this det-cap in your ass and plug it into the shaving plug socket."
as the adage says "where there is a will, there is a way."
I don't know if anyone posted this yet, but I am really curious of what would actually happen or what one of those awesome TSA screeners would do if they actually found something during a "pat down"
I'm going to wrecklessly predict that the TSA is a solution without a problem, and the longer it exists, the more likely people will be to turn into home grown terrorists because of it. Then once that happens, the TSA will say, "See? We told you so!"
Of course, most American's are far too squishy in the middle to do anything like that, especially me. Oh how I'd love to knee a 7-11 clerk, I mean TSA agent, right in the fucking mouth as he was feeling around inside my underwear. But I wouldn't love being arrested, having the shit kicked out of me, being thrown in prison, being a felon, and further losing additional rights, just for defending myself against an unjust practice in the first place. Remember my comment about what recourse do you have against your rights being violated by the agents of the government? None.
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Originally Posted by KevDen2005
I'll let you know, when I down a bottle of Viagra and opt out of the X-ray machine next time I fly.
ya with the airlines bitching enough, and the FAA mad about delayed flights maybe TSA would get there life togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuart
If you experience an erection lasting 4 hours or more,,,, run to your airport hang a flag on it and hit the pat down line.
Show America you are not afraid to get a gov. feeley.
Also if in the event of a pat down while they are down there it wouldn't hurt to let a squeaky out...
Super I think i smell a bomb.
At DIA the controllers have to pass through security every day, just think you could be getting your junk grabbed everyday as part of your job...lucky[Rant2]
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Originally Posted by TFOGGER
The greatest machines on planet Earth, Human Minds.Quote:
Officers are looking for nervousness or other signs of "distress" — behavioural profiling. Sela rejects the argument that profiling is discriminatory.
We aren't using them, because there is not a fat government contract to sell, train and maintain them.