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Originally Posted by Cameron
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Originally Posted by Cameron
while it may be kinda messed up that they were smoking with the windows up . it is a free country and getting upset that someone is doing something in there own car or home is kinda sh*ty . handle your own and leave the rest alone
I agree with many comments here.
I only posted this as it personally bothers me to see little kiddos being hot boxed in a car. I pretty sure we can all at least agree that there are health issues associated with smoking.
I agree that your life is life and your business. I would never vote for more laws and regulations. We already have enough crap regulating us.
Let's just take care of our next generation.! We need to make sure of our health for when the SHTF!! [Beer]
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Originally Posted by Tinelement
I think we can all agree that hotboxing two infants is a white trash douche move. Having said that, the responsibility rests on the parents of those children. No one else. You may not agree, it may make your blood boil, but mind you own business! If you are fussing and fuming about something that is not your concern, it is a real short step to "WON'T SOMEONE PROTECT THE CHILDREN? IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!" That is how liberties are eroded boys and girls. What if you don't like the religion I raise my children to believe, or the choices in medical treatment I choose for them, or my choices in education? Are you going to know better than me there too? The problem with personal liberty is that you have to let others choose to do things that you don't agree with, that make your blood boil. That is freedom kids.
Who are all these people and what ideas do they want enforced by the state?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnTRourke
Criminal assault.
So if you saw me pouring Ammonia down a baby's throat in my car, you wouldn't call the cops?
How about Benzine?
Cadmium?
Cyanide?
Insecticide? (DDT,Methoprene)
Arsenic?
http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm
I agree that less Government is better. Less intervention is better. But not at the expense of a child's life. The line comes in at defending those that cannot defend themselves.
OR
Intervention now might prevent the kid from being dependent on social welfare programs all of his/her life because mommy and Daddy gave him Emphysema/Asthma/whatever, now he cannot work and you have to pay for it.
Take your pick.
Just my 2cents
THIS! While I would like to say something to the parents, just let them know that what they're doing is wrong (but legal) and I feel that they're not helping their children in anyway. The moment we impose our will on others, be it banning smoking in restaurants and bars, open carry in cities, parking outside your own home during a Broncos game, and selling alcohol on Sundays (old and gone I know) we are slowly but surely undermining that little notion called "freedom." My mother smoked my entire life and recently quit a few months ago- along with me- and it wasn't until I started hanging out with the 'cool kids' in High School that I started smoking. I still look back and think my mom was not doing wrong when she would roll the window down on a road trip with me and my little brother in the car and light up. Now, had she done so without rolling the window down, yes I would think she was just not using good judgement around her children, but I will only voice my thoughts on the issue, not press for a damn law to be passed mitigating the risk of different behavior from the norm. I still remember the days when restaurants had a smoking and non-smoking section, and saving us from ourselves has become one of the biggest annoyances in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
Look at it from this side, some people choose to smoke, I did, and you'd have to be severely retarded to not realize that inhaling smoke/chemicals isn't harmful to your health. These same smokers want to enjoy libations in a social atmosphere from time to time, and these times sometimes arise in the dead of winter or during a massive downpour... see where this is going? So the state of Colorado decided to not allow business owners to make the choice whether or not to allow smoking inside their establishment, but instead made that decision for them and (here comes the keywords that make my point) restricted freedom by passing a law that basically saved us from ourselves once more at the cost of liberty. /derail, /rant
Was there a pun intended in the title?
No, your use of salt and your consuming foods/drinks with high fructose corn syrup is not going to affect ME in the same way as having some ding-a-ling blowing smoke right in my direction. You can sure tell that I am NOT and have never been a smoker. Many years ago, I was confined to a cancer ward where I saw countless numbers of folks suffering from terminal lung cancer. They had been smokers and some were still puffing on their cancer sticks while slowly moving their walkers up and down the hallways just waiting to meet the Grim Reaper. It was their choice but still the tax payers were having to help pay for some of their damn expensive treatments. They had most likely been warned but decided to take up the habit anyway. The smoking discussions will be around for a long time with no end in sight. I have three offspring (now adults) who have never smoked and I believe it was mainly because I had strongly impressed them at a young age to not start the nasty habit.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
OK, flame away but please don't use the flame to light one up.
What law is a police officer gonna enforce when your smoking in your car with your kid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I am offended by this comment. [ROFL1]. It's not just white folks.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDave
So would you not intervene some how if some dude was beating on his wife? oh wait there's laws against causing bodily harm to someone... 10-4
It's already illegal in 4 states and many more are considering similar legislation.
[Rant1]
And yet again, more .gov regularion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
Let's also tax the lead in bullets while we are at. Lead is also dangerous.
I get so mad when I see people smoke in their car with kids of any age. I smoked for years and never once did I smoke around my kids. It is not their fault I had a filthy habit. I agree tax the crap out of cigarettes until they are 20 bucks a pack. It should also be illegal to smoke in a car with kids, that is such a low life thing to do.
The point was missed. I was trying to say lets regulate other things that are not healthy. By the way both of the things I mentioned have their own ward in a hospital. It is the pulmonary ward. And heart disease causes more death then cancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlasterBob
You realize smoking causes heart disease right?Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessati...-smoking-heart
Can we all agree that smoking is bad for your health? Yes? Good! So is living in the city, using a cellular phone, sitting within two feet of a computer, watching TV, using the microwave, driving a car, breathing, taking a shower... everything is potentially a deadly activity. Hell I could die just sitting on my couch watching a hunting show on TV! The point is, and I see both sides of the argument, that while yes, the OP's story shows how terrible parents smoking in the car with infants are, but there should be no laws or other liberty restricting mandates put forth to make anything regulating behavior a legal matter. Once that happens then it might not stop. First we started with texting (this I agree though) but what next? No talking on the phone without a handsfree device like they have in many states already? Then it could spit ball further- no eating, no talking to passengers, no smoking? Remember this is our government we're talking about, they've tested it for years and now they're just like that story: If you give a mouse a cookie.... he's gonna ask for a glass of milk. Don't give them an inch, you know they're going to take a mile!
Again, the point is missed. Salt causes heart disease, as does being over weight from eating and drinking too much high fructose corn syrup. If we are going to tax smoking because of the health risks why should we stop there?Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I see that my point was also missed. OK, you can sit close to me in a restaurant (but not TOO close - please) and salt the hell out of your food and guzzle all the soda you want (loaded with that HF corn syrup) but it will NOT be bothering me even a little bit compared to someone's stinking/offensive smoke drifting down in my direction. Yes, some States still allow smoking in eating establishments.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I guess that I am not educated enough to get my point across so that it is worded in a way that is easily understood. Sorry bout dat.[Bang]
As Ben Franklin said, your rights end at my nose. You should be able to do as you wish as long as you do not infinge on my rights, which includes how I run my family.
Which is what many in this thread are advocating against. They want freedom as long is it is the freedom they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleDave
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Originally Posted by tmleadr03
Because you drinking soda and eating salted nut rolls doesn't hurt me... You smoking in the same general area as me does... I don't mean me in general.. But others... I for one, don't give a damn.
Ah but if we go after smoking because of the health issues what is to stop the rest of the things I mentioned? Nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JM Ver. 2.0
Can we make a list of the people in thus thread who are advocating legislation? I haven't seen anyone that was not just being facetious.
Why is this so difficult? If the op said, "I hate it wgen people talk during movies." You all know there wouldn't be 5 pages of quotes about freedom and chest pounding about rights. Jesus Homophobic Christ.
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Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I'd assume because your coice to drink soda and eat salty shit doesn't cause harm to those around you like smoking does. But, secondhand smoke does hurt others... That's what I assume, anyway.
I'm with you. But apparently my type of thinking leads to a police state. So be careful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
For those of you who think that limiting things that will hurt children is wrong, how do you justify allowing parents to molest their own children?
I'm not talking about smoking outside, I'm talking about hotboxing a kid, I'm not talking about limiting firearm ownership, they can stored safely, and children taught proper firearm safety, I am talking about explicitly harming a child.
And I can make the argument that feeding kids fast food is harmful to kids. Should we ban that as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by quondom fremd
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Originally Posted by quondom fremd
Unfortunately there are those who feel with no firearms the country would be a better place and are doing everything they can to see their "thoughts" become law. The anti's don't care if your gun was stored in a time release vault at the bank, it's still a gun.
Again i despise smoking around children, the mentality that was witnessed by the op shows they do not care as long as they are happy. Like the alcoholic driving the kids, it's about them and no one else.
You can pass all the laws you want to prevent what was witnessed, however it will never work because like guns a certain element will do what ever they want.
I suggest those who feel something should be done to prevent such behavior in the future
1) organize a group of like minded folks
2) Start a petition to be put on the next elections ballot
3) get the required number of signatures and have at it.
REMEMBER................... That same petition will be about guns next, Its already happened once regarding BG checks at gun shows, which a lot of gun owners felt was "reasonable" legislation.
What next??
Sounds like you agree with the OP. I think he despises people smoking around kids too. Not cool with all the people getting offended at someone venting about stupid parents who are mistreating their kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by jim
I guess I missed the part where the OP is starting a petition to pass another law. Hell he didn't even say anything to the assholes.
Using the logic some have displayed here does it mean that some are trying to outlaw looking down on people?
I am impressed with your reading comprehension skills and ability to think critically. Good job!Quote:
Originally Posted by PSS
And I mean that sincerely.
Like you said, OP didn't even say anything to those people. Hell, I'd still agree with him even if he did say something to them like, "Excuse me, what you're doing really isn't healthy for your kids." If they said MYOB, STFU, or who are you to tell me how to raise my kids, fine. At least OP did something, and he did it all without infringing on anybody's rights or establishing a police state.
There's a lot of things that go on that don't directly affect me or mine, but that doesn't mean that you should sit idly by and just let it happen if you see it in progress. The opposition to OP brought up passing laws, and apparently don't ever get upset about anything. Otherwise they would be doing what they say not to.
Remind me to never go to a coar15 fishing derby. I'd hate to fall out and see 50 dudes standing there with their arms crossed saying, "yep he's definetly gonna drown, should prolly help him". Second guy "no no no f*ck no! It's his god given right to drown who are we to infringe on that". First guy "yeah your right that's what grand pappy died for in war protecting. So what kind of spinners did you bring?"
This is the point I was trying to get acrossQuote:
There's a lot of things that go on that don't directly affect me or mine, but that doesn't mean that you should sit idly by and just let it happen if you see it in progress.
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Originally Posted by tmleadr03
I have nothing else to add to this thread besides. LMAO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Btw, agree with OP.
You're sure you don't want to try to explain again why somebody might get upset if they saw parents hotboxing their infant? Maybe if you do it then those on the other side might get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sp1tty
The other side of what? I haven't read one comment that said they were for hot boxing children. Let this thread die already. Everyone is talking no one is listening.[Beer]Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
Look I see what your saying but really this thread is going nowhere. It is time for it to fall to the bottom of the last page.Quote:
Originally Posted by lpgasman