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When I was senior in high school , I wanted to buy a Lotus v8 turbo version of Esprit Turbo. Sadly myself was a highschool student with no cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChickNorris
1 cool facts. During the 90s Lotus Elan was basically hhad Kia badge.
I found out when I watch one of K-drama during 90s.
"Why is there so many Lotus Elan in Seoul?"
I was replied by my car friend with
"You idiot! That is Kia."
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https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/...old-kia-262929
Deleted. I didn't mean for it to sound condescending but reading it back it could have been taken that way.
Tier 1 Ar15.....here I come......
I'll try this again now that I've got a little more time to invest on a response. Your posts about this topic tend to contain a lot of misinformation and assumptions that are difficult to address each assumption in a proper manner w/o long-winded responses so I'll try to keep this succinct while addressing each of your points....
You've drawn a lot of conclusions based on assumptions which are never solid decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Take the time to play around with either Tesla Trip Planner, A Better Route Planner or (ideally) both. You really need to get a "feel" for how EVs work before you make the absolute decision that they're just not for you based on assumptions and guesses. Up front I want to get out the point that your situation isn't even 1% it's more like a 0.000001% situation when compared against miles cars are used by the average driver. That being said, I'm not ready to firmly say "yeah, your situation is impossible with an EV" because I don't believe that's the case. In fact, I believe that if you're more flexible with some aspects of your trip your end result will actually be a more enjoyable trip. All we're talking about is #'s on paper and we haven't addressed the most important aspects of the trip which are how do you feel at the end of your trip? I can tell you that long road trips in an EV are significantly less taxing on your CNS. In an ICE vehicle you don't even realize how tired and wore out you are from the vibrations and sounds until you do so in an EV and log a full day of driving. This has to translate into safer operation when your senses aren't fried. Which brings up another important point; safety. How safe are you during said trip? In a Tesla w/Autopilot you're less likely to get into an accident despite what the media will have you think over one or two accidents that have happened over millions of miles of autopilot operation. Even if you get into an accident (which is less likely as I just mentioned) you are substantially less likely to get injured in said accident according to the NHSTA's results of their "Probability of Injury" test done for every vehicle manufacturer. The three Tesla vehicles blew every other manufacturer out of the water in this very important test of safety. Did I mention that your trip will either be substantially less expensive or possibly even free depending on the EV you choose?
Those all seem like pretty solid reasons to put forth the effort to see if it's something that will actually work for you and not just guess and make assumptions based on aging information you received in the past or FUD from outlets trying to drive clicks with headlines.
Basing your entire driving experience on a 0.000001% situation doesn't seem like the best way to go about things. If I did that I would be driving a dump truck everywhere for the once a year I need to move several tons of landscaping rock. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a vehicle that does the 99.99999% stuff better and just break up my loads into smaller bites the one time I need to complete that task? Knowing & understanding the limitations of the tool can certainly make use of that tool better versus trying to force it outside of it's design.
As far as Tesla cars not being able to sustain higher speeds for longer duration I call BS. I personally have exceeded the speed limit across I80 for massive portions (almost the entire time from Sparks, NV to Cheyenne, WY but won't get into specifics for legality reasons) and the car behaved flawlessly. There is also a well-known YouTuber that did a similar experiment over numerous trips across Finland to find the most efficient speed for Teslas and it was actually into the triple digits. I think this is yet another example of "I heard something once so therefore it must be true across all situations and all vehicles" which simply isn't the case. Even if it were true, if you want to base your entire 99.99999% of driving based on the off-chance you might end up on the Nurburgring then go right ahead and live with a race-prepped Nissan GTR the other 99.99999% of your driving.
Would you use a screwdriver if you were a roofer to drive nails just because one time you were replacing a roof and the owner had a weather station that required a Philips screwdriver to take out three screws to move it out of the way?
The important part of this is that there wasn't even a technology breakthrough to achieve this. They're simply putting the newer motor from the Model 3 they started building years ago into a car that was designed 7 years ago. 10% range increase and it's not even a recent advancement. Think about that for a minute because it's an important point: No other manufacturer has built a car yet that can compete with Tesla's Model S that was designed and built 7 years ago. I've heard for years of all of these "Tesla Killers" coming "soon" and it's now April of 2019 and we don't even have one that remotely competes with Tesla's 7 year old car in terms of range, performance and charging capability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
"Porsche's design" doesn't exist. Period. I'm not debating vaporware because it's a fools chore. Yet you talk about it like it's the pinnacle of EVs for you so let's dissect the numbers, shall we? You want to discuss their "800v charge system" like it's a thing and it isn't. Besides, voltage is only part of the equation. Porsche claims 250 miles of range in only 15 minutes which, by my math, is about 1,000 miles per hour charge rate. Tesla's v3 Supercharging is doing 1,000 miles per hour charge rate on Model 3's right now. Today. In a car you can buy and a Supercharger you can plug into in the real world as a consumer. Porsche claims 280-310 miles of range and we've seen lately how that equates in the real world (*cough*e-tron*cough*) so it likely won't even reach those numbers. The Model 3 gets 325 miles of range. Help me understand what it is about this vaporware Porsche that will usher in the EV era for you that isn't already available today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
This idea that you need a 2nd car for "serious" driving and use an EV for local commuting only is based on poor information or incredibly out-of-date information. We're not talking about Nissan Leaf EVs here with 80 miles of range under perfect conditions and no Supercharger network.
You appear to be a victim of confirmation bias and nothing I add to this conversation is going to make you understand that exactly what you describe is entirely possible. It could potentially be made even better but you don't want to believe it is and therefore nothing can sway you. I'm tempted to get in my car right now and drive to Tuscon and chronicle the entire journey to show you it's not only possible but will be a safer, less expensive and more enjoyable trip but it's pointless. Countless videos like this already exist online. If you truly cared you would have already found them rather than looking for all the reasons it's not possible. I mean, if you're not even committed enough to giving it a fair chance to "talk to your cousin about it" at any point during your family vacation then I'm not sure you're very committed to giving it a fair and unbiased consideration at all.
Jer,
What I want to know is there an independent mechanic network for EVs out of warranty. I heard tesla is horrible supporting second hand cars.
THAT I did not know, thanks. ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
The information that Tesla doesn't support second hand cars out of warranty is inaccurate. You can buy parts just like a Toyota. Hell, a guy I know bought an upgraded LTE radio/GSM card for his and even installed it himself.... using the instructions Tesla gave him when he asked. There was a time when they didn't support salvage title vehicles but now there's even a re-certification process where they will inspect a repaired car to make sure it's been repaired properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erni
For a hefty fee of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Gotta' do something to try and recover the $1.5B in cash they burned in Q1.
No worries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
South African Emperor Elon just need to go "Oh, Model 4? Model 5 under $25k?" and those TSLA FANTARD will go LONG.
Few weeks later, they will dilute on fantards' ass.