Free community college!

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Originally Posted by Ridge

You won't get a high level job in a corporation from being an apprentice. Not everybody wants to work in the service sector or a limited trade.

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Not everyone wants or needs to be high in a corporation. Did you even read what I posted above?

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

What good is a nation full of people with meaningless or wasted college degrees? We will fall apart at the seams without the important and necessary jobs that don't require a college education. K-12 is designed to prepare everyone with a similar set of rudimentary skills that prepare them for their future path, whether it takes them to vocational school or med school.

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I think the trick that people fall for is that going to college teaches you something that makes you wealthy. That's probably the only thing you DON'T learn in college. I think people need to decide why they want to go to college. I went because that's what people do and you need a degree to get a job. I coasted through and got average grades. Well, I got a job and it is low-average paying. Uncle Kazoo has got me on a habit of never saying never, but I have ZERO desire to go back to school for more education. A Masters wouldn't get me any more money in my career. I want to make more money, and more traditional schooling will teach me what I need to know.

Honestly, most colleges are nothing more than an expensive adult day care. Very few colleges actually teach their students anything they need to be successful.

Anyone with focus, drive, tenacity, and ambition is going to make more than your average college grad who studied "business" or similar. And in all seriousness, most college students aren't there to learn anyway.


EDUCATION ≠ INTELLIGENCE

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Originally Posted by Ridge

You won't get a high level job in a corporation from being an apprentice. Not everybody wants to work in the service sector or a limited trade.

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Another one, Obviously you're not going to get one right off the bat, and guess what, you probably shouldn't. But guess what, there's still companies out there that only promote from within (like the one I work for). Over 90% of our management team in a company of over 50K employees hired in at the ground level. Oh and we happen to be one of the most successful and largest companies in Birkshire Hathaway's portfolio.

Granted my company isn't the norm, but simply put, a high level job doesn't necessarily require a 4 year degree either.

My dad owns an 8 million dollar/yr service-industry business. Never went to college because he couldn't afford it. Instead, he worked his tail off until he could buy a tiny little office next to the city dump. That was 41 years ago. Now he employs 36 others in a 16,000 sqft building and is getting ready to retire. College didn't get him there. Other people's tax dollars and subsidies certainly did not get him there.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

My dad owns an 8 million dollar/yr service-industry business. Never went to college because he couldn't afford it. Instead, he worked his tail off until he could buy a tiny little office next to the city dump. That was 41 years ago. Now he employs 36 others in a 16,000 sqft building and is getting ready to retire. College didn't get him there. Other people's tax dollars and subsidies certainly did not get him there.

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Sorry. I couldn't help myself. [LOL]

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Originally Posted by cstone

Sorry. I couldn't help myself. [LOL]

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Never gets old... ;)

Service industry is going to do nothing but increase as we become more valuable. Just turned 28 will surpass the 6 figure mark this year and have a measly associates of science degree. (Not an oilfield job either) Most of the people that I graduted with are going no where with a pile of debt. The ones that are are engineers, in business or law. The standard 4 year degree no longer applies

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Originally Posted by cstone

IMO, student loans should be provided based on the graduates ability to repay the loan. You want a degree in Italian Romantic Literature of the 16th Century? Not much chance you are getting a loan for that.

College loans are another way of subsidizing the Academic/Progressive Industry. Maybe some of the adjunct faculty at the local community college could actually teach high school subjects. They seem to be doing that now, since most high school graduates don't graduate with competency to learn at the college level. Here is a link to a NY Times article relating the "Myth of a Four Year College Education."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/ed...inds.html?_r=0

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The private student loan industry can't survive without indentured servitude so they'll loan anyone money that can fog a mirror. Most don't even understand the promissory note they and/or their parents sign.

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Originally Posted by DFBrews

Service industry is going to do nothing but increase as we become more valuable. Just turned 28 will surpass the 6 figure mark this year and have a measly associates of science degree. (Not an oilfield job either) Most of the people that I graduted with are going no where with a pile of debt. The ones that are are engineers, in business or law. The standard 4 year degree no longer applies

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I agree. A lot of my friends my age make close to what you make. I'm still making what I started at nearly 10 years ago!