Watch out for your junk. Gay TSA

I know I'm in the minority here, but I've always found it more demeaning to them than it is to me. $0.02

I don't believe on looking down upon the person, but gay/straight/whatever, if that 5 seconds is what you need for your jollies, that is pretty fawking sad and I do look down upon that, not with contempt but with pity. That's a truly pathetic state for a person to arrive at in life.

If fondling my junk makes me safer, I'll allow it... The happy ending to relieve my fear of flying is just a bonus.

In all seriousness, there are people abusing their powers everywhere. It's a shame that this is happening, but TSA may be a necessary evil.


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I guess I,m one of the lucky ones, I have never been handled by any TSA agents. I've had all my carry on stuff gone through and I have been wanded but never been touched.

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Originally Posted by roberth

The perps have been fired but why haven't they been arrested?

Is this another example of selective law enforcement, more evidence that government officials are treated with more leniency under the law?

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Originally Posted by Skip

Immunity. TSA has to grab junk all day long (it's their mission statement and let's be honest, they really like it). So a law would have to be written to say it's not the act that is illegal, but the intent.

So how do you prove intent? In this case, it's a slam dunk from the statement I've read. But laws aren't written for one-offs and it wouldn't apply in this case anyway (after the fact). Write a law that says unnecessary screening is a crime and might scare screeners from looking into suspicious situations--which really is their job.

So if they outlaw junk grabbing, TSA can't do it and a terrorist would wrap det cord around his dick. (I'm half joking here but seriously you know someone would try)

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Eh.... not entirely. Seeing as how they were going beyond the scope of a simple security screening (cops have been brought up on charges during pat-downs and searches before), in this particular case, I could easily see how these TSA agents could be charged with unlawful sexual contact. They did admit to it, and also state they had a plan in place to do so. This satisfies the requirements for culpability and they should be charged.

Like you said, Skip, the fact that some out there want these dolts to be armed is a very frightening proposition.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

Eh.... not entirely. Seeing as how they were going beyond the scope of a simple security screening (cops have been brought up on charges during pat-downs and searches before), in this particular case, I could easily see how these TSA agents could be charged with unlawful sexual contact. They did admit to it, and also state they had a plan in place to do so. This satisfies the requirements for culpability and they should be charged.

Like you said, Skip, the fact that some out there want these dolts to be armed is a very frightening proposition.

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Yup and I think they're admission was based on the belief they are immune. Ron Paul tried to repeal that immunity with a Traveler's Dignity Act or something a few years ago. It failed to pass...

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr6416

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American Traveller Dignity Act of 2010 - Prohibits any law of the United States from being construed to confer immunity for a federal employee or agency, or any individual or entity that receives federal funds, who subjects an individual to any physical contact, x-rays, or millimeter waves, or aids in the creation of or views a representation of any part of an individual's body covered by clothing, as a condition for such individual to be in an airport or to fly in an aircraft.

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But what is also interesting (to me) is I could not find the specific law(s) that permitted TSA junk checking. Plenty of decisions on the how the Fourth Amendment does not protect us from groping when deemed reasonable. Making it a game to check out "cute guys" obviously isn't reasonable. But I couldn't find anything that elevated that to a crime.

I think you'll see this story die a quick death with no charges. I'm actually really surprised it was reported in the first place. Gov doesn't like to admit to its over-reach(around).

In a perfect world we have real homeland security--no need for DHS.

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Yup and I think they're admission was based on the belief they are immune. Ron Paul tried to repeal that immunity with a Traveler's Dignity Act or something a few years ago. It failed to pass...

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr6416



But what is also interesting (to me) is I could not find the specific law(s) that permitted TSA junk checking. Plenty of decisions on the how the Fourth Amendment does not protect us from groping when deemed reasonable. Making it a game to check out "cute guys" obviously isn't reasonable. But I couldn't find anything that elevated that to a crime.

I think you'll see this story die a quick death with no charges. I'm actually really surprised it was reported in the first place. Gov doesn't like to admit to its over-reach(around).

In a perfect world we have real homeland security--no need for DHS.

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You are an excellent candidate to suggest watching "Please Remove Your Shoes", it's a great documentary (was on Netflix some time ago, not sure if now or not) made with a former FAA Security officer who used to test the security of different airports and he discusses the changes made due to the failures of Pre-911 screening. Really well done and proves the holes they had could have been fixed but bureaucracy screwed that all up and gave birth to the TSA and DHS. Hindsight is 20/20, but when they were pointing out glaring problems back in the late 90's it shows a history of dropping the ball and failing to act.

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You are an excellent candidate to suggest watching "Please Remove Your Shoes", it's a great documentary (was on Netflix some time ago, not sure if now or not) made with a former FAA Security officer who used to test the security of different airports and he discusses the changes made due to the failures of Pre-911 screening. Really well done and proves the holes they had could have been fixed but bureaucracy screwed that all up and gave birth to the TSA and DHS. Hindsight is 20/20, but when they were pointing out glaring problems back in the late 90's it shows a history of dropping the ball and failing to act.

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Very worth the watch ...

And one to rememberer.. the TSA has not caught one terrorist period. nada zip never happened.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

You are an excellent candidate to suggest watching "Please Remove Your Shoes", it's a great documentary (was on Netflix some time ago, not sure if now or not) made with a former FAA Security officer who used to test the security of different airports and he discusses the changes made due to the failures of Pre-911 screening. Really well done and proves the holes they had could have been fixed but bureaucracy screwed that all up and gave birth to the TSA and DHS. Hindsight is 20/20, but when they were pointing out glaring problems back in the late 90's it shows a history of dropping the ball and failing to act.

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I looked but it's not on netflix anymore : (