"Top Shot " on the History Channel

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Originally Posted by mx'r

Uhm.. whats with the personal attack? Was that you in the episode? I watched it and the guy sucks.. I got my idea of this by watching the show. Maybe the sun was in his eyes, or his gloves were to big, or the earth's rotation threw off all 30+ rounds..... Whatever. No professional in my book.

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You ever meet him before, Mike Seeklander? You ever seen him shoot other than in the highly edited hour of the TV show? You ever shot against him in competition?

Come on... Use just a little critical thinking here... This guy was a Marine, has shot competitively for years; pistol, shotgun, and rifle, teaches shooting for competiton and tactical purposes at one of the largest and highest rated shooting academies in the world... He routinely wins major competitions, winning the USPSA Area 4 Production Division (one of biggest competitions in the USA every year) less than a month after this show was done filming.

His skill level is only in question by keyboard commandos who have nothing to do with shooting at the higher levels, and don't have a clue about shooting at that high a level. His ability to compete at stress levels equal to professional sports is tried and tested, and he wins. I've seen Mike shoot before first hand, in the real world without editing, and so have a few others on this site. None of them question his skill level or ability to compete.

So, you call him a choad and have come to the conclusion that your eight year old can shoot better than him? Based on an edited one hour TV show. Then you wonder why I spiked you like a volleyball in the thread...

Tell you what. There's a pistol match this coming Saturday at BLGC outside of Ramah, CO. There will be a couple of GM USPSA pistol shooters out there. How about you bring some gear and ammo out there and see where you stand in your view point of shooting skill levels. It will be fair, afterall the "choad" has beaten the GMs that will be there once or twice so they can't be all that good...

I watched the show. I've made my conclusions. I've no nead to show you or anyone else my skills. This thread is not about me or you. It's about a fellow that couldnt shoot a target at 100 yards with a 30.06 bolt gun. Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by mx'r

I watched the show. I've made my conclusions. I've no nead to show you or anyone else my skills. This thread is not about me or you. It's about a fellow that couldnt shoot a target at 100 yards with a 30.06 bolt gun. Get over yourself.

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I really can't tell you what happened on that day because, just like you, all I saw was an edited version of a "made for tv" show. Nonetheless, I can attest that Mike Seeklander is not just an amazing shooter but also a great person.

In all honestly I find it very disrespectful that you would choose the use of the word "choad" to describe this gentleman whom, not only has honorably served his country, but also has brought positive light to the sporting shooting community.

I enjoyed the show and will watch it again, but do realize it’s a TV show and whoever wins will not necessarily be the best shot. To win you will have to play the game well, shot good and have some luck.

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Originally Posted by SA Friday

You ever meet him before, Mike Seeklander? You ever seen him shoot other than in the highly edited hour of the TV show? You ever shot against him in competition?

Come on... Use just a little critical thinking here... This guy was a Marine, has shot competitively for years; pistol, shotgun, and rifle, teaches shooting for competiton and tactical purposes at one of the largest and highest rated shooting academies in the world... He routinely wins major competitions, winning the USPSA Area 4 Production Division (one of biggest competitions in the USA every year) less than a month after this show was done filming.

His skill level is only in question by keyboard commandos who have nothing to do with shooting at the higher levels, and don't have a clue about shooting at that high a level. His ability to compete at stress levels equal to professional sports is tried and tested, and he wins. I've seen Mike shoot before first hand, in the real world without editing, and so have a few others on this site. None of them question his skill level or ability to compete.

So, you call him a choad and have come to the conclusion that your eight year old can shoot better than him? Based on an edited one hour TV show. Then you wonder why I spiked you like a volleyball in the thread...

Tell you what. There's a pistol match this coming Saturday at BLGC outside of Ramah, CO. There will be a couple of GM USPSA pistol shooters out there. How about you bring some gear and ammo out there and see where you stand in your view point of shooting skill levels. It will be fair, afterall the "choad" has beaten the GMs that will be there once or twice so they can't be all that good...

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You would think that someone with that kinda resume could hit a 12" at 100yds without any sites! LOL.

It would be interesting to talk to the guy and find out what he thinks happened. Anyone can have a bad day.

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Originally Posted by CareyH

It would be interesting to talk to the guy and find out what he thinks happened.

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Ask and you shall receive!!
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Here are my thoughts, responses to questions you have raised:

Was the gun rigged? I seriously doubt it. I really don't think anyone would do that? As far as the loose sights comment, I know I did not use the technical term, but mid shooting I found that the sliding device that is part of the ladder sight was loose and moving. I screwed it tight and began shooting again (and missing damn it!) I don't think it was zeroed (and in truth, I didn't know a danm thing about the ladder sights, etc.) and I also was not familiar with zeroing a rifle like that before now. (see a new project I am starting called "Project Crosstrain" on my site soon.

Was my spotter to blame? He is no more than me. I wished we both would have had days, weeks, months to work as a team with that gun....but we got about 10 minutes the day before (by the way, that was the first time Andre spotted for me).

Why did I not or he not see the vapor trail? There was none that day. Also the target was shrouded by bushes and impacts were impossible for me to see. I am not sure what Andre saw through the scope.

Was I jerking the trigger, or stressed, or caving under pressure? No, I don't think so. After the first 5 or so shots, I was slowly aiming, and squeezing, etc. I even had time to switch to a standing position and rest on the top bags, thinking I was disturbing or touching the barrel on something when I was in a kneeling position. I have shot years ago in some high power, and have shot at 500 and 600 yards. While I might have been making a shooting error, mostly I was unable to figure out where to aim. Not sure where 37 shots came from, but the point is, on the last shot fired, I STILL did not have a clue where I should be aiming (I was aiming VERY low left during that last shot).

Is my youtube video my way of saying I am not to blame? Shame on you for thinking this! As posted, I simply did a sanity test to see it I could hit the broad side of a barn with that gun (Yes, I know it was a different variant with a peep sight). I did the video for me, not for anyone else!

Who should we blame for my mistake? No one, blame me. Maybe I suck. Get over it, I have.

How much time did I have to zero the gun? I shot the gun about 10-15 minutes, a portion of which was spent trying to get the gun on target at 50. I never used the ladder sight.....and did not even know it existed or how it worked. We did not get this instruction. I fired about 10 rounds and wrote where I thought I would/should aim to hit a target using the notch sight at 100. I believe I got one (although I am doubting this now) hit on the 100 yard target in practice before we rotated. The reason we rotated was because we thought we should get on each of the four guns provided in practice, and in hindsight we should have spent the entire time (30-40 minutes) on one gun (oops!).

Why did I vote for Kelly? Mistake! As said before, I wish I would have shot against my spotter. Hindsight again, but I doubt any of you make perfect decisions all the time. If you do, you are much cooler than me. Obviously, I really did want to shoot against the best shooter, but tactically that might have been dumb. Once again, I made a decision that I would change (and might have changed then) now.

Why did I not shoot at the 50 yard target to see where I was hitting?

Why did Andre say I was talking about how good I was? No idea, and I am not sure where he got that from. Initially, I queried the team what skills they had and had them all rate themselves on a scale from one to ten for use in making decisions on the fly if we needed to pick a strong team member. I wrote this in a chart like drawing in my notebook and wrote their answers down. I think Andre thought I was trying to game something, when in reality I told them all they could have a copy. Upon more negative comments, I ripped the piece of paper up in front of the group (and on camera), to let them know I really did not care to use it, and that I was just trying to prepare for future events as a TEAM so we could make the best decisions possible. Not sure. I did not think of that at the time. It was all over pretty quick. That is a great idea, but honestly I never in my wildest dreams would have guessed that I would have had that much of a problem.

Did I shoot the 100 yard target because I thought I was better? No, actually in our conversation prior to starting, Andre volunteered to shoot at 50, so I said "Ok". Obviously I was team leader and did not think there was any reason to NOT shoot the 100, even though I was not sure of the gun zero.

Why did I use the term "clicks" when calling for Andre? Because it was simple, easy to here verbiage. We decided that each "click" would represent about an inch. We never had an intention of adjusting the sights (I did not know how anyway!). Boy, the some of the forum folks are going crazy on this one....CALM DOWN GUYS/GALS, I JUST USED THE TERM BECAUSE IT WAS SIMPLE and EASY TO HEAR. KINDA LIKE SOME OF YOU SAY "CLIP" WHEN YOU MEAN MAGAZINE.....

I will be very happy to answer any more questions that I might have forgotten. Email me or post here.
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So my only comment for this episode is that the zip line thing was cool as hell, and I would have been pissed that I did'nt get to play on it.

Saw my first episode tonight, the show looked pretty cool. I liked the gangland marathon that was on before better.

zipline was way cool!!!!
I want to play..but no one shot at the bonus targets???

red team ousted Blake..too bad..

I didn't see the episode with the zip line, but I know that there is at least one 3 gun shoot with a zipline in it. I think Hoser is familiar with which one it is.