I think he means getting health care, and other benefits from a same-sex couple i.e. gay soldiers can't get benefits from the other as the Gov doesn't recognize their marriage as legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
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I think he means getting health care, and other benefits from a same-sex couple i.e. gay soldiers can't get benefits from the other as the Gov doesn't recognize their marriage as legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpienads
Nothing says not either. Pursuit of Happiness doesn't have an asterisk next to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
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Originally Posted by Jordanls19
Gay marriage, any marriage for that point would fall under Article 10 and would be left up to the states. Seems most of the states have put this issue to vote and the people continue to vote it down.
So how the majority votes is always right, moral and ethical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
Who are you to determine what is moral and ethical? If you want to be technical the nation was founded on Christian values and morals, which are the basis for the founding documents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rucker61
The majority of this nation supports the definition of marriage as it stands. That is what makes this country great. We The People rule and dictate how we choose to live. As much as the progressives want to take this control away from us it will not happen.
All that believe that there should be a law against gay couples getting hitched, say I! Now all of you that just said I need to realize that you are no different than the liberal society that thinks that guns should be banned because they think it's the right thing to do. You are the same (just different topics). I just thought I'd point that out real quick. [Beer]
That's nice of you to believe that, but it doesn't make it true. Or the right thing to do. Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, not a Theist. "In God We Trust" and "under God" are relatively new additions to US mottos and the pledge. I can agree that this country had a lot of Christianity absorbed into the founding documents, but it was not the basis. I don't see Christ mentioned at all, and the only references to a deity were the seemingly unChristian terms "Nature's God" and "Creator".Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
That also isn't necessarily true.Quote:
The majority of this nation supports the definition of marriage as it stands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_..._United_States
The majority also used to dictate that Blacks didn't have the same civil rights as whites. Majority rule can also be mob rule, and that's not an American ideal.Quote:
That is what makes this country great. We The People rule and dictate how we choose to live. As much as the progressives want to take this control away from us it will not happen.
Not like they can increase the divorce rate more than it is now. Marriage is a sham at this point in the world, with the exception of a few of you guys on here who have been married longer than some of us have been alive..
We've seen a lot of divorces in the last few years w/ members here, some going through shit now. You really think that a 'marriage' between someone of the same sex is going to ruin the sanctity of marriage?
The divorces will be much more drama filled (entertaining), there won't be kids to be ripped apart and having to listen to the 'parents' hate each other for the rest of their lives. Ask me how a bad divorce can totally skew your perception of a relationship in life.. My parents didn't make it two years.
My aunt and her gf (yes she is a lesbian) were together for 30 years before she was no longer with us. Lasted longer than ANY marriage in my entire family.. it wasn't legal but they were together, and I still do not see anything wrong with it.
As for the cake shop, they are free to do whatever the fuck they want. It's their business. Hell if they make the best cakes and I happen to be by there I might stop in, but it wouldn't be because they are against gay marriage. It'd be because of the product they produce. Just like chick-fil-a, I may not share the same feelings as Truit Cathy or whatever his name is.. but damn if anyone else has a better chicken sammich or nuggets.
I have several gay friends, most of which have been in a relationship longer than any of mine have lasted.. If they want to get married then so be it. They can't do any worse than the rest of us. [Coffee]
Way behind in this thread, but baking a cake isn't practicing religion.
I hear it's pretty damn good cake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
It was? Doesn't the First Amendment restrict the establishment of a state run church, in addition to not restricting the the free practice (or not to practice) of one's religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooskibar03
I think I'll stop by there today around 11:30 to see how good their cake is. They're right by the Army Surplus store and that's always worth a look.
What if the cake is so good, eating it is a religious experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
With all the hoopla over this bakery and Chick-Fil-A, some Marketing wonk has to be creating a name for the activity and working on a way to make it a standard marketing ploy. Sort of like a reverse viral marketing plan.
There is a difference between the Federal government endorsing any specific religion and the beliefs of the people who founded our nation and wrote those documents. They specially wrote the 1st Amendment to protect citizens from the same type of government they have just fought and escaped from, the British monarchy, where they were forced to support the church. That is why it’s the FIRST amendment; we are all free to believe what we want without persecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scanker19
That said if you delve into history one cannot dispute there was a Christian influence in the life of the founders
Remember folks, they didn't refuse service to them for being gay, they said they serve gays, they just don't make gay wedding cakes... that didn't sound right. They just don't make cakes for gay weddings. You get my point. So these stupid gay people need to shut up already and move on. This business doesn't support or agree with gay marriage, but they'll still make you a birthday cake- find a gay supportive cake shop and stop pushing your beliefs on everyone else.
Would a bakery that had Obama support stickers and well known supporter of democratic ideals, refuse to make a cake that had a Gun Theme? If so would there be as much of an outcry from people as there is regarding this business owners choice?
Doubt it. That is the difference, anyone of us would look for a bakery that would fill our order. The other side of the coin wants to be treated as a specific class of society and will do anything and everything in their power, to see we as society comply with their train of thought. That is why America is on the edge of (if not already sliding down in to) failure.
^^^ +1 I know a doctor who was such a strong Obama supporter that kicked me out of his office after I presented some facts.
Both Chick-Fil-A and Masterpiece Cake Shop were busy today. I got some goodies from the bakery. The oatmeal raisin cookies are wonderful.
This kinda stuff is out of control. I'm glad he told them to GTFO and go pound sand. They preach tolerance and respecting other's beliefs until their beliefs aren't praised somewhere, then it all goes to hell. Such hypocrisy.
Modern LGBT movement, modern feminist movement, and modern civil rights movement all have one thing in common.
They are no longer about equal rights, they are about elevating themselves ABOVE the majority. It is just disguised as "equal rights" because of things like same sex marriage. Dig a little deeper, and its really a distraction for what they are really trying to accomplish.
When I married my wife, I pledged to GOD in Heaven that I would love and honor her for our entire lives. I didn't pledge to the state, the government, or the country as a whole. The paper was merely a formality for tax and medical purposes.
If same sex marriage is allowed it doesn't detract a single thing from my marriage, because as a born again Christian who doesn't believe in same sex marriage, I don't have to recognize its legitimacy in my personal life.
Tax breaks? Medical care? Those do not define a single thing about a true, honest, committed marriage as I see it in the eyes of God. Give it to them. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I find same sex marriage to be no different than friends of mine who simply get married because they got pregnant, or people who get married because they are afraid of being alone, or the laundry list of other crap reasons some people get married these days.
Do I believe that at one point and time the U.S. was a Christian nation? Yes. Do I believe that is the case nowadays? No. I didn't buy guns to prepare for the end of the world and Christ's return, I bought them for the collapse of this country. Simple as that.
... I really want cake and chick fil a.
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Originally Posted by mevshooter
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Originally Posted by mevshooter
The entire purpose of political correctness in general is to create divisions in society to keep groups of people fighting among themselves and thus are distracted by what the leftist elites are actually trying to do.
Its all part and parcel of Frankfurt School Critical Theory of Marxism. You divide people into groups and get those groups to fight each other while simultaneously tearing down the dominant culture.
The only way you'll get the workers of the world to unite in glorious communist revolution is if you destroy each of the cultures they all live in.
A factory worker in Berlin has more in common with the factory owner in Berlin than he has with a farm worker outside Buenos Aires and likewise the farm worker outside Buenos Aires has more in common with the Argentine Bourgeoises than his fellow workers in other parts of the world.
THAT is why global communist revolution hasn't worked in the estimation of the Marxists, and that's why the traditional (ie dominant) cultures must be destroyed. Free market capitalism and Judeo/Christian morality/ethics are the basis of western culture, so you destroy those first and then the workers of the world will finally unite under the Marxist banner.
You can't blame the gay guys for being grumpy. You would be grumpy too if everytime you had sex your ass hurt!
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Originally Posted by Rucker61
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I have used Masterpiece for years! Glad to see them on the same side of the fence.
[ROFL1] Oh my god, that kills me! HAHAHA! [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado Luckydog
I, on the other hand, don't see the humor. My wife is ROUGH and she is a spanker. [ROFL2]Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
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Originally Posted by T-Giv
She would be very unimpressed if she read that I was spilling her secrets! [Tooth]
Just watched a video about this cake shop on CNN. The "gay community" just doesn't get it and most likely never will. They continue to seek attention for themselves in an effort to "be accepted" by others whenever a private business owner expresses their beliefs that are different than their own.
Next they will want a gay coffin shaped like a phallus...