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^^ Lots of European cities have buses or trains that run off of overhead power lines. I think it's ugly as hell but it works. In Germany it was called the S-Bahn (Strassenbahn.)
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For that matter I think some big Eastern cities in the US use the same system. [Dunno]
Pretty sure the light rail around here is fly by wire as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinjmpr
Flow batteries are still not ready for prime time, but getting closer.
https://news.umich.edu/1000-cycle-li...ehicle-ranges/
This is the kind of advancement that when coupled with some additional validation of the new battery type's stability and safety, that will get more folks into EV's. A 5x range increase would be fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkCO
Maybe I should start the thread automobile stereotype.
Tacoma, BMW, Mitsubishi, Civic (modded), etc... [Flower]
Yes. And there are a few more in process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawin
I want a method for on-board power generation. Weather that be diesel (preferred) or solar generator incorporated into the design, I can't see getting a DD without.
The flow batteries, when they are ready for homes, introduce a step forward where solar roofing might be able to get to the point where a person could generate enough power to keep the EV topped off daily without adding capacity to the grid. That, to me is the tipping point. Less than 10% of the population can own EVs given the grid capacity. Add some flow battery capacity on the neighborhood level...maybe.
Oh NO!!!!!!!
Call Uber!
Call your family and friend to pick you up!
You only have 32% /82mi range!
NO!!!
[ROFL3]
I will be driving about 20 more miles tonight, and charge about 25-35% at a free level2 charger place tomorrow morning. :)
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Former Tesla Model Y owner.
Likes: Acceleration, cost-to-operate, lower maintenance and depreciation costs compared to the German SUVs I had been driving, audio system, and resale.
Dislikes: Had to install a 10-50, poor quality on the cars paint, interior, and body fitment, horrendous customer service, range (recharging) when traveling out of a metro area, and recharging time while traveling.
Purchased the Model Y new in December of 2020. Thought about a Model X but, the entry point was kind of steep for an experiment in an EV. The Model 3 and S sit too low to the ground for my old beat up back and neck.
Kept it for eight months. No passion for the car. Resold it a 10K profit after everything was factored in.
Ordered a Rivian pickup last year. May be a lot more economical to operate than my 19 RAM but, it is going to cost a whole lot more!
I am not a fanboy of Tesla but, they do have some pretty good technology and fun gadgets. Hated the company and their lack of service.
The rivian looks interesting, more capable of ease of access for disabled people. Then, as you say, low teslas.Quote:
Originally Posted by LX470
Thank you for an honest report.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/18/ship...-en-route.html
The risk of this will probably go down as the market shifts to super-capacitors but mass quantities of Li-Ion batteries can be hazardous ...
I think they might have a stepping stone to Li polymer in between.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Li-Ion batteries are crazy and scary when popped/exposed to oxygen. I had a bad MacBook Pro battery ignite into a chain reaction of blue flames in my home office last year. I wound up throwing it out the window onto my front porch…. If it was a larger battery array, it would have been insane.
Probably would have had a hard time tossing a Tesla out of the garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sawin
Not if one is Cross - Fit ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
Easy peasy, you just open the garage, summon it near your hated neighbor's house, drop your phone and run like hell.
I was charging 4 hours here (2 hours each changer) @ 8kw. At 32kwh, that will be ~120mile range.
If a vehicle has a 24mpg, that is ~5gal. ( 120mi/24mpg)=~5
equivalent to: 5 gal x $3.10/ga= ~$15.50 worth of free gas.
(was doing some taxes for about 4 hours)
https://i.imgur.com/fSQ1ku6.jpeg
That's the thing. I would be bored out of my f'n mind sitting behind a grocery store for 4 hours. It's worth the cost to run the pump while I clean the windshield, then go about my day
I don't know if anyone has a patience to shop 4 hours at Kohl's. I won't be able to do that even on back to school shopping. lol
I would be more bored out of my mind if I had to do taxes at home. I was actually at a starbucks near the plaza. So, deduct -$2 spent on unlimited refill on coffee.
I am still on mileage calculation for December 2021, and 1 more month to go. I would say I am about 5% completed on 2021 taxes.
You made $3.88 per hour doing your taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
I wish all my taxes were done in 4 hours. that would have been real nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Just the mileage deduction. I had a stupid app on 2020 taxes, because they messed up on personal and business mileage. So, I am manually going over it.
No problem . Target does not have a free charger. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
If a local gun shop let me do taxes there while let me shop and take a look at some guns, I would be there.
I also have to go to Sams/Costco (To some it might be a Q store) tomorrow to gas on my other vehicle after shopping for food. (no, not doing taxes at costco table).
ETA: I have 15min break every hour doing taxes, and you guys (and this forum) being a huge help getting my mind out of numbers.
Q or not. 4 hrs is burning daylight, as well as costing money. Bless you if you have 4, even 2 hrs to ba able to wait for a vehicle to be charged up.. Like gman said,i'll spend the $$ to be able to be on the road in less than 20 min. On road trips, we break every 2 hrs, full up, walk dogs, snack out then go.Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
Maybe one day when they offer an affordable, practical, EV. that holds more than 2 mountain bikes (wheels off) a foldable cooler for drinks, than i'd consider one. But at a (Rivian) $60K + tag never happen.
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Originally Posted by MrPrena
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Originally Posted by MrPrena
Post 177 and 178 stated that I was doing taxes for 4 hours, and seems like some of you don't get it.
You can just do taxes if you want. I would rather do taxes while charging my laptop+phone+car+etc.
https://i.imgflip.com/4blz3h.jpg
[hammer][tinhat]
So, I?m guessing besides oil changes your EV also never requires washing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
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Originally Posted by ray1970
That's outside his 4 hr window.
Besides washing those can get one electrocuted . IF it's plugged in . OR not. it looks like the resident evxpert , like elvis, has left the building.
My post was 'glass half-full' in that you made $15.50 for 4 hours of your time while you were working on your taxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrPrena
Now you just have to figure out if all the time you spend doing your taxes is worth not paying a pro to do them for you. See what I did there? [Coffee]
NASA just launched an experimental battery into space. It is a lithium battery composed of all solids. They are hoping this will make a safer battery. I hope it is a success!
Quote from link below:
"Space Demonstration for All Solid-state Lithium Ion Battery (Space AS-Lib) demonstrates operation of a Lithium-ion secondary battery capable of safe, stable operation under extreme temperatures and in a vacuum environment. The battery uses solid, inorganic and flame-retardant materials and does not leak liquid, making it safer and more reliable. A successful demonstration of this new technology could expand its use in space as well as in the automotive and aerospace markets on the ground."
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/s....html?#id=8566
Launch link:
https://www.nasa.gov/content/overvie...supply-mission
I think a lot of people misunderstand the point he's making... he didn't HAVE to charge for 4 hours to go about his day. His day involved a 4-hour-stop and he chose to plug in while he was doing what he had already planned to do because of free electricity. it would be similar to going to Costco and while you were taking care of your shopping someone slowly added fuel to your gas tank for free. You're saying that's a bad thing?
This is pretty common with EVs where you can plug in somewhere you were going to go anyway just to get free juice. Lots of businesses will have EV charging available to attract more customers. The electricity cost is hardly anything to them and they end up bringing in more revenue overall so it's a win win for the business owner.
Tesla (for instance) has a crap ton of what they call "destination chargers" which are completely separate from and in addition to the Supercharger network. Early on, Tesla would give FREE HPWC (High Power Wall Connectors) to businesses who asked for them. The only requirement was that they not charge for using them. Tens of thousands of businesses took them up on this so there's just random Tesla chargers all over. Plenty of apps to find them easily too. So if you're choosing between Store A or Store B and Store B offers free charging while you shop... you'll likely choose Store B because it's free "fuel" for something you were going to do anyway. Simply park in the right space, plug in and go about your business as you were planning anyway. By the time you return you just gained more range for free. You didn't invest any of your time other than plugging in a cable.
Some people are so conditioned to think that owning an EV means you're constantly waiting around to charge that they miss the part where you literally never have to go to a gas station again. 98% or more of most owners charging is done at home while they sleep. You basically get up every single day to a full "tank" that cost you 1/10th of what gas would have cost you for the same miles you drive. People want to focus on road trips as if that's the 98% of ownership which makes no logical sense. In fact, if I assigned a number to how much time I used to spend going out of my way to get gas, pumping gas, oil changes and all other maintenance items (since I was my own mechanic but even if you pay someone else you're out money and the time waiting for the work to be done) I'm probably days and possible weeks ahead on time of what I would have invested in things we don't really consider in ICE vehicle ownership any longer until you no longer have to do them.
The time I've "spent" waiting for charging which prevented me from going somewhere is barely a drop in the bucket compared to the time I've saved.
Guy in Denver EV's a muscle car!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVveszK5V2E&t=3s
I've considered EV for a while, before my divorce.
Ex wife after divorce wanted to sell the Grand Cherokee (Eco Diesel) because of it's "issues" - which are all Emissions related. (Diesel Gate)
Told her to just keep it! it's paid for and has plenty of warranty that we bought and warranty provided in diesel gate for their updated software/fixes. (before it could get 27mpg, now after "fixes" it might get 20mpg)
I suggested the Nissan Leaf instead since she does nothing but drive around town and use the jeep for hauling stuff or snow days.
She drove the Volt and Leaf and didn't try tesla I think because of price.
Volt seemed cheap. Leaf seemed more solid and better features. She bought a high end Leaf almost a year ago.
She gets paid mileage for driving at work several days a week and the payback on that has been paying the Leaf lease payment each month. (not always, but usually)
She was using the level 1? (120volt) charger and was fairly happy with that, but power was available for 30~50 amps in the garage. I wired up a new plug for her closer to the charger and now she's topping off in a few hours each day/overnight.
She is really happy with it and enjoys driving it and no trips to the pump - unless filling up the Diesel jeep for $$$$$.
Now for my life, I've moved 30 miles south (castle rock) and driving to downtown Denver twice a day. A few times more than 2 trips in a day. This would be frustrating if I had to turn and burn a few times but couldn't because of "charging"
I'd need 80 miles recovered during charging overnight or full top off every 2 days if driving a Leaf. I have no power other than 120v and would have to invest in upgrades for faster charging. Fairly costly even if I do it myself.
Girlfriends jeep cherokee 4 cylinder turbo gets around 26-28mpg and we fill up for ~$50 every 4 days or so. 15 gallons
Basically the same MPG I can get with my Honda fit. 10 gallons.
I'd consider selling my FIT and keeping her jeep and so we have 4x4 on snowy days. I'm waiting to see what the next Nissan EV product is, I think it's AWD small SUV type.
Difficult to sell something and end up with a monthly payment just to save some $'s each week. Although I'd get a newer vehicle, warranty, less maintenance, more features etc.
I did calculate a trip in a Tesla once. Denver to Florida to visit family. It came out to the same number of fill up's as the jeep cherokee and a few 100$ cheaper. Planned stops every so often for a fast charger, food, stretch. On a long trip, I'd be more inclined to stay longer during charging if not for a long wait to access it.
TBH my ideal vehicle is an electric, with no screen, a maximum of 5 chips (modern cars have 640+), pretty much no features at all, designed for maximum resiliency and longevity, no OTA updates or licensing at all.
Problem is, nobody builds it and nobody ever will. Something like that would have the same problem as black model-t's - once a family had one, they fit the need, they were reliable, and the family wouldn't feel obligated to ever buy another vehicle, period. (Chrysler introduced custom vehicle colors, and planned obsolescence, and took over 80% of the market share shortly thereafter, and for quite awhile).
Current cars - both ICE and electric, are designed to be obsolete. Planned obsolescence and hundreds of unnecessary features and sensors go hand-in-hand in todays manufacturing. For an at-home guy to maintain a "classic" car thirty years from now (a 2020+ model) will be flat impossible.
And yes, I know, Tesla will charge someone to replace a screen or upgrade a few models.
But EVERYTHING that depends that heavily on software and licensing has EOL. That means "End of Life". EVERYTHING. You will not be able to update a model 3 with a new battery and new screen into a 2030+ model, much less 2040, or 2050. At some point in time, they will publish an EOL, and it'll nearly be the end of those years shortly thereafter. Super-rich that can afford insanely-spendy custom fabricated repairs might be able to keep on going, but why would they?
I don't want my car to be reliant on software... case in point, I'd be driving Windows 95 right now.
People can keep buying new vehicles and blowing them to start them (yeah, that will actually be a thing...) but I'll keep driving my nice stuff... mostly. Someday, I might convert one to be electric, which will achieve what I want. But I don't plan on buying any modern EV as I like to keep my stuff out of the dump for a long while.
My truck is DOS, not even windows compatible. Haha
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Burned through $110 worth of petrol this weekend.
I suppose my weekend of jackassery and errands would have cost me what? $0.12 worth of electricity?
Don't forget the 4+ hrs of charging time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
Sort of related, but since some of the EV guys keep mentioning not having to go to the gas stations I will just bring up that the range on my truck can be taken from zero to about four hundred miles in less than five minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
If that EV is pretty much dead I doubt a five minute charge is going to going to give you 400 miles. Might give you enough to get home if home isn?t a hundred miles away?
EV's have their pluses & minuses. At this point in time, between cost, leg room, as well as storage capability. It's just not something i'd be willing to buy. OR is is something i'm going to spend more money on, that cost more than each of my last 4 houses.Quote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
That applies to ICE vehicles as well.
Talk to me about storage capacity being a negative in your pros/cons list. What vehicle are you comparing this to for storage capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo
I could see a Rivian as a daily driver...
I've been this close -><- to ordering one several times. The main things that keep me from pulling that trigger are: upstart and very beginning of production runs can be a bit shaky, no local service center should I need it and lack of built-out charge infrastructure. The good news is that all of those are going to come with time so there's a solid chance I end up with one in the garage eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDT951