Open Discussion of all Things Electric Vehicle (aka EV) for Those Pro or Con, BE RESPECTFUL!

[gnihcraes]

I've considered EV for a while, before my divorce.

Ex wife after divorce wanted to sell the Grand Cherokee (Eco Diesel) because of it's "issues" - which are all Emissions related. (Diesel Gate)

Told her to just keep it! it's paid for and has plenty of warranty that we bought and warranty provided in diesel gate for their updated software/fixes. (before it could get 27mpg, now after "fixes" it might get 20mpg)

I suggested the Nissan Leaf instead since she does nothing but drive around town and use the jeep for hauling stuff or snow days.

She drove the Volt and Leaf and didn't try tesla I think because of price.

Volt seemed cheap. Leaf seemed more solid and better features. She bought a high end Leaf almost a year ago.

She gets paid mileage for driving at work several days a week and the payback on that has been paying the Leaf lease payment each month. (not always, but usually)

She was using the level 1? (120volt) charger and was fairly happy with that, but power was available for 30~50 amps in the garage. I wired up a new plug for her closer to the charger and now she's topping off in a few hours each day/overnight.

She is really happy with it and enjoys driving it and no trips to the pump - unless filling up the Diesel jeep for $$$$$.


Now for my life, I've moved 30 miles south (castle rock) and driving to downtown Denver twice a day. A few times more than 2 trips in a day. This would be frustrating if I had to turn and burn a few times but couldn't because of "charging"

I'd need 80 miles recovered during charging overnight or full top off every 2 days if driving a Leaf. I have no power other than 120v and would have to invest in upgrades for faster charging. Fairly costly even if I do it myself.

Girlfriends jeep cherokee 4 cylinder turbo gets around 26-28mpg and we fill up for ~$50 every 4 days or so. 15 gallons
Basically the same MPG I can get with my Honda fit. 10 gallons.

I'd consider selling my FIT and keeping her jeep and so we have 4x4 on snowy days. I'm waiting to see what the next Nissan EV product is, I think it's AWD small SUV type.

Difficult to sell something and end up with a monthly payment just to save some $'s each week. Although I'd get a newer vehicle, warranty, less maintenance, more features etc.


I did calculate a trip in a Tesla once. Denver to Florida to visit family. It came out to the same number of fill up's as the jeep cherokee and a few 100$ cheaper. Planned stops every so often for a fast charger, food, stretch. On a long trip, I'd be more inclined to stay longer during charging if not for a long wait to access it.

[FoxtArt]

TBH my ideal vehicle is an electric, with no screen, a maximum of 5 chips (modern cars have 640+), pretty much no features at all, designed for maximum resiliency and longevity, no OTA updates or licensing at all.

Problem is, nobody builds it and nobody ever will. Something like that would have the same problem as black model-t's - once a family had one, they fit the need, they were reliable, and the family wouldn't feel obligated to ever buy another vehicle, period. (Chrysler introduced custom vehicle colors, and planned obsolescence, and took over 80% of the market share shortly thereafter, and for quite awhile).

Current cars - both ICE and electric, are designed to be obsolete. Planned obsolescence and hundreds of unnecessary features and sensors go hand-in-hand in todays manufacturing. For an at-home guy to maintain a "classic" car thirty years from now (a 2020+ model) will be flat impossible.

And yes, I know, Tesla will charge someone to replace a screen or upgrade a few models.

But EVERYTHING that depends that heavily on software and licensing has EOL. That means "End of Life". EVERYTHING. You will not be able to update a model 3 with a new battery and new screen into a 2030+ model, much less 2040, or 2050. At some point in time, they will publish an EOL, and it'll nearly be the end of those years shortly thereafter. Super-rich that can afford insanely-spendy custom fabricated repairs might be able to keep on going, but why would they?

I don't want my car to be reliant on software... case in point, I'd be driving Windows 95 right now.

People can keep buying new vehicles and blowing them to start them (yeah, that will actually be a thing...) but I'll keep driving my nice stuff... mostly. Someday, I might convert one to be electric, which will achieve what I want. But I don't plan on buying any modern EV as I like to keep my stuff out of the dump for a long while.

[gnihcraes]

My truck is DOS, not even windows compatible. Haha

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[ray1970]

Burned through $110 worth of petrol this weekend.

I suppose my weekend of jackassery and errands would have cost me what? $0.12 worth of electricity?

[Great-Kazoo]

Burned through $110 worth of petrol this weekend.

I suppose my weekend of jackassery and errands would have cost me what? $0.12 worth of electricity?

Don't forget the 4+ hrs of charging time.

[ray1970]

Don't forget the 4+ hrs of charging time.

Sort of related, but since some of the EV guys keep mentioning not having to go to the gas stations I will just bring up that the range on my truck can be taken from zero to about four hundred miles in less than five minutes.

If that EV is pretty much dead I doubt a five minute charge is going to going to give you 400 miles. Might give you enough to get home if home isn?t a hundred miles away?

[Great-Kazoo]

Sort of related, but since some of the EV guys keep mentioning not having to go to the gas stations I will just bring up that the range on my truck can be taken from zero to about four hundred miles in less than five minutes.

If that EV is pretty much dead I doubt a five minute charge is going to going to give you 400 miles. Might give you enough to get home if home isn?t a hundred miles away?

EV's have their pluses & minuses. At this point in time, between cost, leg room, as well as storage capability. It's just not something i'd be willing to buy. OR is is something i'm going to spend more money on, that cost more than each of my last 4 houses.

That applies to ICE vehicles as well.

[Jer]

EV's have their pluses & minuses. At this point in time, between cost, leg room, as well as storage capability. It's just not something i'd be willing to buy. OR is is something i'm going to spend more money on, that cost more than each of my last 4 houses.

That applies to ICE vehicles as well.

Talk to me about storage capacity being a negative in your pros/cons list. What vehicle are you comparing this to for storage capacity.

[DDT951]

I could see a Rivian as a daily driver...

[Jer]

I could see a Rivian as a daily driver...

I've been this close -><- to ordering one several times. The main things that keep me from pulling that trigger are: upstart and very beginning of production runs can be a bit shaky, no local service center should I need it and lack of built-out charge infrastructure. The good news is that all of those are going to come with time so there's a solid chance I end up with one in the garage eventually.