The future of ammo: R.I.P. 9mm

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Originally Posted by Rabid

I fell like i need to hold a terminal ballistics class for dummies with you guys, this round truly goes against everything we know about "stopping power" period. When it comes to larger caliber and slow speed bullets (pistols) it makes even less sense. As seen here i am glad these guys will make money off their invention but i hope none of you spend money on this total BS idea.
Ok class 001: Hit your self as hard as you can with your thumb, pointer and middle finger in the head, this is a FMJ, yea it stings but you will be ok. Now again hit your self as hard as you can with all 5 fingers and your palm, this is the R.I.P. gimmick round, kinda painless when compared to the FMJ right? Now again hit your self as hard as you can with your fist, this is a well designed hollow point, if you really hit your self as hard as you could you might have problems reading this. We are working with the same mass and speed in this experiment but all 3 give a different result.
Let me know if you want class 002.

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So does that mean you would be willing to take a hit from one of these? The energy it showed going through the ballistic gelatin seemed to be pretty substantial. Maybe it wouldn't knock you down, but it sure as hell would take alot of fight out of you, while you were bleeding out of multiple holes.

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Originally Posted by buffalobo

^^^^^This, at least to try a box.

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That's mu thought is that I should at least try a box. Whether or not it's good enough to become defense rounds? Time will tell.

I do agree that these will be the "assault bullets" they try to get banned next.

Knockdown power? Stopping power? From a 9mm handgun round?

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Originally Posted by Wulf202

Is it me or did the gelatin look a little thin?

Then again i JUST got done watching pentagon wars.

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Glad someone else noticed if you pause the first video at 224 you can see the calibration bb in the left side of the block it's only supposed to penetrate 8cm it looks like it penetrated 7-8in!

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Originally Posted by TEAMRICO

.........multiple layers of denim.


How will we be able to fight off the Canadians?

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I have seen several ballistics tests that use denim in front of the gel to simulate shooting a dressed person, you would be surprised the amount of energy lost penetrating denim or a heavy coat

I wonder if those little slivers will penetrate soft armor, that's probably the real point. Similar to flechette ammo. Thin enough to get in between the weave.

everyone thinks they need a bigger round to have stopping power, feel free to stand in front of my 9mm if you want to test that theory.

i bookmarked this little posting at one time. it is interesting and it does have stats with denim

http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=25751

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Originally Posted by cofi

Glad someone else noticed if you pause the first video at 224 you can see the calibration bb in the left side of the block it's only supposed to penetrate 8cm it looks like it penetrated 7-8in!

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Yep. I see this producing ugly but shallow wound channels. Like birdshot. I call voodoo.

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Originally Posted by rockhound

everyone thinks they need a bigger round to have stopping power, feel free to stand in front of my 9mm if you want to test that theory.

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I hear this argument quite a bit, and I never understood. I wouldn't stand in front of someone throwing a cue ball at me... doesn't make cue balls ideal for self defense.

I would like to get my hands on the future shotgun slugs they mention at 3:00 in video #1. I feel like those would do some nasty sh!t...

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

I would like to get my hands on the future shotgun slugs they mention at 3:00 in video #1. I feel like those would do some nasty sh!t...

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NONSENSE! Do you need a class!?!? [sarcasm]