For those who live in the Thornton area, here is the response I received from State Senator Tochtrop.
"I support the concealed carry law as written and feel HB 1205 goes too far. Senator Tochtrop"
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For those who live in the Thornton area, here is the response I received from State Senator Tochtrop.
"I support the concealed carry law as written and feel HB 1205 goes too far. Senator Tochtrop"
Guess who's not getting votes next election!Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
Yet you oppose a bill to restore part of our Constitutional rights without bloodshed?Quote:
Originally Posted by AK47 Ranger
You admit that the facts don't support your position, and you don't mind that its unconstitutional. I guess I'm done here because I can't think of any other way to change your mind.
Look it's simple you all. AK47 Ranger does not trust his fellow man, he does not believe in the constitution as written, he is one of those gun owners that is our worst enemy, someone who acts like a friend but is just like the rest of the hoplophobe elitists, he is always going to sell us out to the government for "our own good". This man thinks that anyone without his knowledge and training is just a gun toting "bubba". He already has drunk the "koolaid". If the SHTF happened tomorrow, and the gun confiscating raids were to start, he would be the first in line to comply, and then snitch out anybody he knows with a gun. My contempt for those of his kind has no bounds.
Im with you AK47 Ranger! You and I both know that the 2A CLEARLY states "
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Unless the state decides it needs a coat tax, then a normally law abiding citizen shall be treated as the criminals said citizen is trying protect him/her self from.
I can see how you woulndnt want OTHERS who may not have the extra money, or just refuse to be treated as criminals, to exercise their constitutionally GUARANTEED rights because YOU were irresponsible at 21. Obviously Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and wyoming must all have nobody below 40.[ROFL1]
I think this is a great idea. As an LEO I assume that the person i contact has a weapon anyway for my own safety (this does not mean I search based on that...). I also wish that every state would do this, it is important for people to have these rights, which I am sure we all so firmly believe in. I also think, as has been my experience as an LEO, that people who are legally carrying almost always tell me that they are, which makes me happy that first they respect me enough to do that, and second, they are like-minded thinkers and have taken the steps to protect themselves when I am not present (which is most of the time).
If every state does not follow this, I would really like to see that the US adopt CCW like a drivers license, so that you are valid in every state without worry.
Kev, I hope you don't mind me asking this. Does Colorado reference the permit database when looking up someones info? Example, I'm being pulled over, can the officer see that I have a CCW permit?
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I certainly don't mind at all, in fact I encourage everyone with questions to ask any of the LEO's on here. We are all for the most part like-minded thinkers and I would say most likely law abiding citizens. I don't want to see anyone trying to do the right thing get caught up in something stupid by accident...
That being said, as far as License Plates go the answer is no. I used to dispatch and was told prior to starting in law enforcement which would be more that six years ago now, CCW info used to be attached to license plate info when a traffic stop is made (when traffic stops made an officer usually calls out a location and plate number). So I don't have that info until I get to the car. It has been my experience that all the CCW holders I have contacted (there are a lot where I work and I am going to find out anyway when I do a check on your name...which is to say it is attached to your name) have provided me with that information immediately. I am less likely to give them a ticket based on the fact of how respectful they are immediately and I always thank them for telling me that info because it makes LEO's much happier people. I have never had a problem with CCW holders.
I was initially all for this bill, but after a lot of thinking, I'm not so sure anymore...
I like the fact that I had to go through some additional training to get mine, and I have a basic understanding of the laws if I have to shoot someone, and how to handle it if I ever have to (and hopefully I never have to).
I know far too many people that can legally purchase a firearm, but are entirely too stupid to carry one.
I do think it's silly that we should have to pay for an additional BG check, because the one to purchase the gun should be enough; if it's not, maybe they should look at the qualifiers on their checks. So if it was just a minimal fee for the permit, fingerprint, and the time to get the permit, than I would support that minus the ridiculous other BG check fee.
One thing I do support is H.R. 822, for reciprocity of permits in all states that issue CCW permits. I just can't support any moron carrying a gun concealed without fully understanding the enormous responsibility...
That's all from me.
When you stop thinking of everyone else as a moron, then you will see this makes sense. But if you can't do that, well, I'm sorry for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettodub