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Originally Posted by bryjcom
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Originally Posted by Mick-Boy
Both by the sword...whats your point? Killing for your country doesnt count as killing?
News alert: If oblama said it, it wouldn't even be reported except on faux news ticker tape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
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Originally Posted by Goodburbon
I hope you store all your guns locked away and unloaded. I'd hate for you to murder someone who came into your house illegally to do you or your family harm.
Unfortunately lots more innocent people are going to die till Americans pull their heads out of their asses. If more time was spent using logic vs emotion to make decisions, that have serious consequences, we would all be a lot better off. I really don't give a shit how a loon ended up being a loon, all I care about is the fact that the loon is free to roam and prey on innocents.
We have no problem murdering millions of innocent babies every year who have done nothing, yet fall over backwards to keep potential time bombs alive and free. Talk about living with tortured logic.
I see the latest bullshit balloon being floated by the psych community is that 30% of the WWII vets are suffering from PTSD.
I call horseshit. The only reason they came up with that crap was when someone posed the question, "How is it that WWII vets were able to go to war for years not knowing when they would get to come home, and then when they did return they got on with life and became productive members of their community. They didn't sit around whinging about poor me".
Kind of burst their thesis bubble of excuses for the bad behavior the current crop military personnel who want to act irresponsibly and then blame the military for their behavior. After all they are from the generations who have been raised with the concept that your actions are always the fault of someone else.
Sorry guys, as a fellow Libertarian I just can't understand how RP's statements about Kyle are OK with anyone. If he's trying to make a statement against the war he's picked the worst way possible to do so. I don't cut the communists any slack for using Sandy Hook to further their agenda. I'd be a hypocrite if I gave Ron Paul a pass for doing the same. I agree with RP on a lot of issues (not all) but he's WAY out of line here.
Really? You seriously just asked that? You are aware that he's not some no-name blogger from Alabama that has a readership of maybe 30 people? It's Ron Paul- the guy ran for president, has been a congressman for years, and his words reach quite a few pairs of ears. I don't hate the man, and due to his standing in our nation as a candidate for president, like him or not, he's somewhat relevant. I care enough to post here about it because it's ignorance being spread to the naive masses that swallow nearly everything their fed. As a veteran with PTSD, I find his comments to be grossly inaccurate and only further the stigma surrounding PTSD. Thanks to him now I have acquaintances that claim they no longer trust PTSD suffering veterans with guns... and these are folks who write to their representatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodburbon
i have talked at GREAT length for about 10 years to a VA psychologist. He has been studying Vets and PTSD, shell shock, etc since the early 80s.
His thoughts about it were, WWII Vets suffered with the same symptoms. They immersed their selves in CAREERS, many times the bottle, some were abusive to wives and children. Each dealing with it in their own ways. Never bringing their pain to light.
Vietnam Vets were treated like shit. They came home and DRANK, used Illicit drugs, etc. AT that time they had no where to turn. Once the enormity of the problem was recognized Veterans started coming in for help. I was told when the influx of Vietnam Veterans started getting treatment and the stigma was (kind of) gone, many WWII and Korea VETS also started coming in. Those same VETS are now in places to make decisions regarding the current generation of VETS. They are unwilling to let us slide into the traps that they got caught in. So, diagnosis and treatment for PTSD is at the forefront right now.
I can see how SOME non VETERANS could think its all bullshit. But, thats because the hardest thing SOME of them did was drink heavily in college or play games in moms basement.
You need to loose the attitude. There is no reason to be a dick...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick-Boy
I think you are trying to argue semantics, when Im not.
What im saying is its not unreasonable to have that initial thought right out of the gate
My Uncle's wife is a psychiatrist that specialized in addiction therapy. She worked extensively with the VA from the late 70's until the mid 90's and that was her take. She said that PTSD has been around as long as war. It has been known by many names but has always had the same symptoms. The main difference with the generation going through this now is that they are less mature than say the WW2 generation that lived through the depression before the war. Most of them were working to help support the family by the time they were teenagers. That means that they were more equipped to handle the stresses of battle. Second the average age of a soldier in WW2 was 25, a big difference.
PTSD is real and a concern for returning vets, but the real concern is the climate being set up to use this as an excuse to take the rights of those that stood to defend the constitution.
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