It gets better:
http://www.vagabondish.com/tsa-rifle...nail-clippers/
I mourn the death of common sense.... [Bang]
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It gets better:
http://www.vagabondish.com/tsa-rifle...nail-clippers/
I mourn the death of common sense.... [Bang]
Fuck that. I would have thrown them across the fucking room. You want 'em? Go fucking get 'em!
IN Maureen Dowd's opt-ed NY, Nov 21: Nuking the White House: "And on Friday, as Americans were rebelling against groping airport pat-downs, the soon to be speaker of the House, who was supposed to travel like real Americans, put himself above the madding crowd.
The Time's Jeff Zeleny was on the scene and reported that John Boehner did not wait in line or go through security: he 'was escorted around the metal detectors and body scanners, and taken directly to the gate.'
So much for Reagan's trust but verify. Now we've got distrust and vilify"
And you think Nancy Pelosi traveled like a real American? Might want to pick a better example next time.
I think that anyone who is third in line in case the President or the Vice Pres. cannot perform their duty's deserves a jet. In case he or she had to perform our countrys duty which would probably be in a time of peril. John Boehner's action on refusing a government jet to me is just pure politics, recklessness, plus a strong measure of buffoonery to boot with his knee jerk reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg8550
Erno
In which case Mr Boehner would probably get a jet. Ever think he refused a private jet to save tax payers money? Also he can probably skip the pat downs due to the fact that secret service is accompanying him, and well armed to boot.
I think it would have been a bad photo-op for John Boehner on having his dick and balls fondled. HELL, some of us "average Joe's" have to go thru that process at an airport, why can't he?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg8550
Third, I think it is irresponsible for the third in line, not to have a personel government jet in these trying times.
Also, in case of our country's peril, the third in lines jet should be on-line, gassed-up and ready to go at all-times!
What's irresponsible is the amount of spending and expansion of government thanks in majority to the libs. What's irresponsible is letting the terrorists win. All of these security measures will not stop a terrorist attack without the aid of profiling. Just one more step to make us Americans "feel" safe. We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out. The gov't and TSA answers to this supposed problem are one more nail in the coffin to our freedom. The TSA has never once stopped a terrorist attack. All they have done is inconvenience us.
with all the bitching we do on this board about how the government wastes money .....You'd think we would be happy he is saving money.........
Now for all the worried about and "what if's" the Secret Service and the Department of Defense are in the being paranoid business.. I'm sure they have plan's and planes ready to go at the drop of a hat. it's what they do.
Agreed.
Especially with all the "carbon emissions" Boehner is saving. [ROFL2]
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Originally Posted by jmg8550
Profiling might work in a little country like Israel, but it will be impossible to work here in the United States because of the sheer number of flights. Sweden has a new scanner that does not show private parts, which I would advise the Administration on getting. Just be thankful they have not gone on to rectal probing yet, which would cause the collapse of the airline industry. Its just a matter of time when a rectal bomb will get thru U.S. security. Or maybe we should just look-out for a person who walks around looking like he has a banana stuck-up the old asshole, like, firmly parked between his two cheeks!
Erno
I think you missed a sentence: We are not safe and never will be until all of these terrorist groups are wiped out.
Where there is a will, there is a way. They will find a way to carry out their plans and in the mean time, we will have more and more freedoms taken away.
The U.S. will never be able to wipe out all the terrorist groups, unless you make the whole Earth a parking lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by jmg8550
Erno [Beer]
Therefore we will never be safe no matter what we do. So we should stop wasting time, and the humiliation from the rest of the world, and do the same security measures before the pat downs and body scanners. Air Marshalls do a better job than the TSA and are far better trained at identifying and neutralizing a threat.
Here's a novel idea... Use drug sniffing dogs, they are quicker and more effective than some half educated TSA agent. Also cheaper in the long run.
New Lego set for Christmas:
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...p.grid-6x2.jpg
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Originally Posted by Stuart
I want all the pilots trained and armed.
develop an explosive materials detecting device...whatever chemicals they may be, those people get searched. everyone else can cruise through without being subjected to getting their nuts and tits fondled by some uneducated moron with the intellectual capacity and social skills of a 4th grader.
the biggest threat is not the passengers getting on the airplane...it is the contractors at airports, the employees who can bypass security to work the ramp, that ride the bus in to load bags and park planes, who have direct contact with the planes.
It would be easy for them to infiltrate the system and bring explosives in, right past security, right past the tsa, right under the noses of everyone and plant it on the plane. that is where the biggest hole in security lies right now in my opinion.
the tsa are just .gov thugs that occasionally do something right, but usually only when the bad guys fuck up.
now they have been given the authority to molest people of all ages, including children. that is absolutely FUCKING WRONG
sniper7 wins this thread. [Beer]
The employee's don't get any breaks, they have to go through the same screening that everyone else does. They just don't have to have a boarding pass.
Oh I'm totally okay with pilots having guns. Absolutely.
What I'd be even MORE okay with, is the TSA agents getting a full search before and after each shift, just to make sure that they aren't keeping contraband for themselves. Also, they should either be naked or in their underwear the entire shift. This will protect me from having anything "planted" on me if they decide they don't like my attitude; which I WILL have.
not trueQuote:
Originally Posted by DOC
employees, when working at their base can bypass security. some places have the turn style entrances that bypass the metal detectors and tsa all together. the TSA is everywhere in the airport though. but their random gate checks and searches seem pointless to me. most of the time they stand there with their thumb up their asses pretending to do something and watching someone.
where the security truly lacks is the weakest point. contractors bringing in drills and saws and truckloads of equipment or vans full of stuff.
in the end, trustworthy employees are the key, extensive background checks, profiling, random checks to keep em honest play an important role.
just like you can't keep criminals from owning guns, you won't be able to stop everyone from getting in or getting materials in. the extra layers of security are essential. it needs to be like swiss cheese with several layers. even if something goes through one hole, the next layer of security needs to stop it. the multiple layers will give the greatest chance of success in deterring the threat.
I see the TSA in general as a pretty big hole in the model with a cheap ass badge. They stop "liquids and gels" from entering the secure area, and now they get to grope people and invade their personal privacy. Not to mention the new x-ray machines are actually x-rays and will probably be a contributing factor to cancer caused by too much exposure. They say it adds an extra amount of radiation equal to 2 minutes of flight time.
for me that adds approximately 7 hours of radiation exposure a year. FUCK THAT...
I hope multiple lawsuits are filed and this bullshit they are trying to pull is reversed.
NYT, TUES.,NOV.23
"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.
The former offical with the Dept. of Homeland Sec.: 'But we tried that, tried doing security checks on passengers, and a left-right coalition said' "You can't trust the government with this.", such as checking credit records and crimminal histories.
But some travelers say they would rather go through a full body scan than the system at Ben-Gurion airport.
'My experience leaving Tel aviv was by far and away the most unpleasant encounter I've ever had with airport officals in a decade. As best I could tell, things went pretty smoothly as long as you were an Israeli, or traveling with some kind of well-established tour group.' Mr. Yglesias was traveling with a group of journalists. 'The African-American woman in our group was taken off to be questioned.' The Jewish member of his group 'had the easiest time,' he said. 'The black woman had the hardest time.'
Thats all BS. My Israeli friend says their security is blazingly fast.
Shin Bet does it by an actual method, instead of randomizing security in the interest of "fairness". If a TSA agent spoke to me about my plans for my trip, where I was going, what I was going to do, etc I would never ever be picked for a security scan. They strike up casual conversation with travellers and any anomalies get investigated.
I thought Israel had an airport that sees 80% the volume that DIA does?
I can only speak from my personal experience. I was all over The Mediterranean and spent 4 days in Israel -- That article like most NYT's articles are biased. I laughed so hard at NYT's Gaza report - I have plenty of pictures I took personally to prove otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by ERNO
50 flights a day? NYT cannot be more wrong...
The numbers mentioned in the later article is more aligned to what I have seen. Christian, Jews from all over the world, including other middle east countries made up most of the visitors. I can tell you that I saw all color and races.Quote:
Ben Gurion Airport in early 2010 were 7.7 million departing and arriving international passengers, an increase of over 10% over the same period last year. Movement planes first eight months of the year stood at 57,497, an increase of 5% compared to same period in 2009.
Expected increase in traffic during the holidays
The Airports Authority estimates that, during the High Holidays Atsha"a airport are expected to pass approximately 1.18 million passengers and aircraft movements -7370, a 13% increase in passenger traffic and an increase of 9% movement of aircraft, from the same period last year.
IAA CEO, Kobi Mor, said: "The Authority put special emphasis on safety issues, security and passenger service will continue to prepare for increased passenger traffic Holidays various facilities: airport, at the airport in Eilat, at the airports of the Interior - National terminals border
The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
WHAT! They are not obese grumpy women complaining about having to stand all day? Wait that was DIA I guess [ROFL1]Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
Yup, exactly. I think its a much more effective way of doing things.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
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Originally Posted by ERNO
Umm you know you are comparing apples to oranges, right?
I Fully understand that most people do not have the opportunity to fly internationally, I also understand that even fewer people have the need or where-with to fly into or out of any country in the middle-east.
Googlemaps that shit.
Israel, the most despised of all middle-eastern Arab countries.
their volume is actually irrelevant, look at their track record.
They haven't had an incident in 40 years... we haven't had one in... almost 1?
and the argument of their "Intrusive" searches has less to do with some overpaid wal-mart greeter wanting to feel some chick up and more to do with "My Training tells me this person is hiding something."
Israel trains their security agents for months
Ours get EIGHT hours
They search people based on speech patterns and behavioral triggers
we are molesting children because their teddy bears trigger metal detectors.
NOw, Im not saying that we should just jump over and completely adopt the Israeli system, but I am saying that our shit is seriously broken and we the taxpayer will have to pick up the bill.
You don't think Janet Napolitano is going to pay the trillions of dollars in lawsuits surging up, do you?
The ACLU Alone is looking for Millions and Millions of your Child's tax dollars.
and as much as I hate to say it {SPITS} I am Glad the ACLU is after these Fucktards.
I heard on the radio news this morning that a security expert said that the TSA is looking for the rectal bomb, because the person carrying the bomb needs to carry a injector outside of the body. Then when he wants to detonate, he injects whatever into the bomb to cause a detonation.
Erno
Be advised for any passengers carrying Taco Bell into the airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by ERNO
found my new underwear...
http://www.good.is/post/tsa-scanner-...rnment-x-rays/
Made in Colorado too!
Well, here I am sitting in DIA and 4 out of my last 5 flights I have been selected for the "additional" screening. Yup, my Irish ancestory must have made me look like a potentail terrorist. Not one of those 4 times have they told me I had a choice to get a pat-down...I wouldn't take one cause I don't want some pervert looking TSA fuck touching me anyway, but what about the people who do want the pat-down instead? I thought the TSA is supposed to makesure everyone understands the options? At least that is what they have been telling us.
So I get in the non naked screener line so I can go through the regular metal detector and they tell me to get in the other line for the additional screening. I go into the machine and stand there for a bit while 3 TSA ass hats on the other side continue their conversation. After a few, I ask them if I am interupting and if I should come back after their conversation. The lady gives me a nasty look and come over the start the machine. Then she tells me to walk through and gave my ticket to one of the other TSA bitches and they tell me to step aside. I stand there and wait again without anyone explaining anything to me. Finally I ask the dick, "so, uh, what's going on?". He says I have to wait while they clear me, it was probably my necklace. Then he holds his hand to his earpiece like he saw all the cool special agents do in the movies and says "nailed it, you're free to go." What a bunch of fags.
So he was proud of guessing that it was your necklace after basically looking at you naked? 10 points to that guy.
Just got back from New Bern, NC.
We didn't get any special attention on either end. It was just like it's been the last few times.
I used to travel a lot on official business for the USAF. Inevitably, I was selected for "special screening" (of course, this was before the NEW "special screening") 9 out of 10 times. Yeah, blonde haired, blue eyed, travelling on military orders... I must have been a terrorist.
On these trips I couriered classified material from time to time. One time, I (of course) had all of the appropriate paperwork to get that item through security without being inspected but had one of the security folks tell me that I needed to open the package for inspection. I politely told them that there was NO WAY that was going to happen and referred them to the documents that I'd already presented. That didn't seem to be good enough for this person. After getting this clowns supervisor over and asking what their policy was for inspecting classified material accompanied be proper documentation. - They promptly allowed me to continue on my way.