TSA pat-downs.

[sniper7]

employees, when working at their base can bypass security. some places have the turn style entrances that bypass the metal detectors and tsa all together. the TSA is everywhere in the airport though. but their random gate checks and searches seem pointless to me. most of the time they stand there with their thumb up their asses pretending to do something and watching someone.

where the security truly lacks is the weakest point. contractors bringing in drills and saws and truckloads of equipment or vans full of stuff.

in the end, trustworthy employees are the key, extensive background checks, profiling, random checks to keep em honest play an important role.

just like you can't keep criminals from owning guns, you won't be able to stop everyone from getting in or getting materials in. the extra layers of security are essential. it needs to be like swiss cheese with several layers. even if something goes through one hole, the next layer of security needs to stop it. the multiple layers will give the greatest chance of success in deterring the threat.

I see the TSA in general as a pretty big hole in the model with a cheap ass badge. They stop "liquids and gels" from entering the secure area, and now they get to grope people and invade their personal privacy. Not to mention the new x-ray machines are actually x-rays and will probably be a contributing factor to cancer caused by too much exposure. They say it adds an extra amount of radiation equal to 2 minutes of flight time.
for me that adds approximately 7 hours of radiation exposure a year. FUCK THAT...

I hope multiple lawsuits are filed and this bullshit they are trying to pull is reversed.

[ERNO]

NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.
The former offical with the Dept. of Homeland Sec.: 'But we tried that, tried doing security checks on passengers, and a left-right coalition said' "You can't trust the government with this.", such as checking credit records and crimminal histories.
But some travelers say they would rather go through a full body scan than the system at Ben-Gurion airport.
'My experience leaving Tel aviv was by far and away the most unpleasant encounter I've ever had with airport officals in a decade. As best I could tell, things went pretty smoothly as long as you were an Israeli, or traveling with some kind of well-established tour group.' Mr. Yglesias was traveling with a group of journalists. 'The African-American woman in our group was taken off to be questioned.' The Jewish member of his group 'had the easiest time,' he said. 'The black woman had the hardest time.'

[DeusExMachina]

Thats all BS. My Israeli friend says their security is blazingly fast.

Shin Bet does it by an actual method, instead of randomizing security in the interest of "fairness". If a TSA agent spoke to me about my plans for my trip, where I was going, what I was going to do, etc I would never ever be picked for a security scan. They strike up casual conversation with travellers and any anomalies get investigated.

[Irving]

I thought Israel had an airport that sees 80% the volume that DIA does?

[ChunkyMonkey]

NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.

I can only speak from my personal experience. I was all over The Mediterranean and spent 4 days in Israel -- That article like most NYT's articles are biased. I laughed so hard at NYT's Gaza report - I have plenty of pictures I took personally to prove otherwise.

50 flights a day? NYT cannot be more wrong...

Ben Gurion Airport in early 2010 were 7.7 million departing and arriving international passengers, an increase of over 10% over the same period last year. Movement planes first eight months of the year stood at 57,497, an increase of 5% compared to same period in 2009.

Expected increase in traffic during the holidays
The Airports Authority estimates that, during the High Holidays Atsha"a airport are expected to pass approximately 1.18 million passengers and aircraft movements -7370, a 13% increase in passenger traffic and an increase of 9% movement of aircraft, from the same period last year.

IAA CEO, Kobi Mor, said: "The Authority put special emphasis on safety issues, security and passenger service will continue to prepare for increased passenger traffic Holidays various facilities: airport, at the airport in Eilat, at the airports of the Interior - National terminals border

The numbers mentioned in the later article is more aligned to what I have seen. Christian, Jews from all over the world, including other middle east countries made up most of the visitors. I can tell you that I saw all color and races.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Thats all BS. My Israeli friend says their security is blazingly fast.

The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

[trlcavscout]

The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

WHAT! They are not obese grumpy women complaining about having to stand all day? Wait that was DIA I guess

[DeusExMachina]

The Israelis depend heavily on human intelligence instead of electronic surveillance like most western countries do. The security guys were friendly eventhough they were armed to the teeth. I think they are encouraged to engage people in conversations as part of the screening. I know I was approached twice in a very friendly way - not to mention they were some HOT and deadly female security.

Yup, exactly. I think its a much more effective way of doing things.

[Byte Stryke]

NYT, TUES.,NOV.23

"The security methods employed by Israel's famous Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full body scanners and pat-downs American officals put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at Ben Gurion four hours before screening.
At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes.
Israel has only two airports and 50 flights a day, compared with 450 airports and thousands of daily flights in the United States.
The multiethnic population of the U.S. makes it more difficult here than in Israel to profile possible terrorists, experts say, leaving officals with little choice but to screen passengers carefully for illicit items.
The former offical with the Dept. of Homeland Sec.: 'But we tried that, tried doing security checks on passengers, and a left-right coalition said' "You can't trust the government with this.", such as checking credit records and crimminal histories.
But some travelers say they would rather go through a full body scan than the system at Ben-Gurion airport.

Umm you know you are comparing apples to oranges, right?
I Fully understand that most people do not have the opportunity to fly internationally, I also understand that even fewer people have the need or where-with to fly into or out of any country in the middle-east.
Googlemaps that shit.
Israel, the most despised of all middle-eastern Arab countries.
their volume is actually irrelevant, look at their track record.
They haven't had an incident in 40 years... we haven't had one in... almost 1?
and the argument of their "Intrusive" searches has less to do with some overpaid wal-mart greeter wanting to feel some chick up and more to do with "My Training tells me this person is hiding something."
Israel trains their security agents for months
Ours get EIGHT hours

They search people based on speech patterns and behavioral triggers
we are molesting children because their teddy bears trigger metal detectors.

NOw, Im not saying that we should just jump over and completely adopt the Israeli system, but I am saying that our shit is seriously broken and we the taxpayer will have to pick up the bill.
You don't think Janet Napolitano is going to pay the trillions of dollars in lawsuits surging up, do you?

The ACLU Alone is looking for Millions and Millions of your Child's tax dollars.



and as much as I hate to say it {SPITS} I am Glad the ACLU is after these Fucktards.

[ERNO]

I heard on the radio news this morning that a security expert said that the TSA is looking for the rectal bomb, because the person carrying the bomb needs to carry a injector outside of the body. Then when he wants to detonate, he injects whatever into the bomb to cause a detonation.



Erno