SENATE'S GUN CONTROL READING * LIVE

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Originally Posted by Jer

I've not only seen it change but I've been part of movements to get it changed. One in particular was to overturn a bill passed by the hippies not allowing any more towers to be built on lookout mountain. The funny part is originally they wanted to build a single digital tower and disassemble all the analog towers that it would replace which would actually make it look much better and allow for better services for anyone who wanted it up and down the front range. Well, all the money that could have been spent taking those down was instead wasted on a multi-year battle to get the ability to build a single digital tower. Now we all have digital TV free over the air with less power required to transmit the older analog signals. If you look towards lookout mountain you will still notice a shit ton of towers in place adn the hippies who wanted to 'save the mountain' have themselves to blame.

Point is, that was something that EVERYONE could benefit from and it was still a grueling nightmare to get passed. You think something as hot topic as firearms and magazines is going to be easier?

So, you can fight all you want but not this guy. My fight is now and if these pass (which it looks like they will) it will be the small bit of encouragement needed to break open the flood gates. As much as I hate to admit it I see Colorado going the way of Chicago, NY & California very soon. I'm sure there are still people living in those places being denied their rights, being turned into criminals and generally hating life 'fighting the good fight' because they're waiting for that pendulum to swing the other way.... any day now. My version of fighting is taking my tax dollars and my work ethic to a state that will afford me the basic rights that I ask in return. If enough residents and tourists did that they would realize how many people disapprove and how they need those tax dollars to exist. That's the only language they speak. Oh, Magpul wants to leave? Big whoop! Wait until that $85mil loss hits the books in a couple years. Then they will be sorry. But that's logical & analytic based on fact and figures and the opposing force we are fighting values none of which. In case you didn't notice during the last couple of weeks they truly don't give a single shit about the actual people they were elected to represent.

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While I don't wish to get in an argument, most of this is just defeatist attitude. Those States you're referencing have been Libtard havens for decades. While things in Colorado are "trending" that way, the idiots in control of the State only just got that control last election. Before, it had been split for years. I believe (and hope) they have overreached and will pay the price in the next election. There are just to many options still available---Mondays votes, the courts, recalls and elections. I will not quit until all these are exhausted.

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Originally Posted by aryntha

DJ, what senator was that? And can you share his exact wording? So I guess this means there's little hope from them? I can understand not wanting to disseminate that.

Yes, 18-17, Tochtrop and Jahn did indeed vote no on 1224. That would indicate that yeah, it's decided; but "Stranger things have happened" in the legislature.

As far as Jer's story -- I was working at KMGH/Channel 7 when that was going on. The "anti tower" folks had all kinds of weird ideas that the new tower would make their children dumb (heh) or cause autism or... something like that. The original KMGH tower had been there since 1955; and then all these folks moved in and decided they wanted them gone. (Because who doesn't have cable or satellite these days anyways?)

It wasn't as cut and dry as this but really, even if it's "difficult" the likelihood of something being done about 1224 post-passage is directly proportional to people's motivation to do something about it. The other side doesn't have "magic", just the wind at their backs - for now. I know some will choose to say "screw it, i'm done" - and that's their right. I personally hope some of us will remain after the fact and continue to push back and see what can be done about this. Absolutely within your right to think it's a waste of time, too.

But, my time to waste, so, hey, I'll waste it trying to push back on 1224.

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Excellent post

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Originally Posted by Goodburbon

They are done. The decision has been made, I watched them yesterday, not one democrat even paid attention to any argument the Republicans made. For hour upon hour, testimony was read from business, citizens, tourists..it didn't matter. It all fell on deaf ears. The senator's positions on these items were pre-determined. They didn't even have to bother to count the Yays and nays when the time to vote came, they were all known ahead of time. It's a ruse, a sham, there is no debate, their minds have been made up. Try as you and I might, it will make no difference.

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Exactly. Maybe I shouldn't have watched the live stream of the House this whole time. Incredible testimony after incredible testimony and all the while... not a damn person cared. No Dem that was still in the chamber was even paying attention. What's the point? Who's listening? It's just going through the motions to screw us all. They're just playing the game now.

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Originally Posted by aryntha

DJ, what senator was that? And can you share his exact wording? So I guess this means there's little hope from them? I can understand not wanting to disseminate that.

Yes, 18-17, Tochtrop and Jahn did indeed vote no on 1224. That would indicate that yeah, it's decided; but "Stranger things have happened" in the legislature.

As far as Jer's story -- I was working at KMGH/Channel 7 when that was going on. The "anti tower" folks had all kinds of weird ideas that the new tower would make their children dumb (heh) or cause autism or... something like that. The original KMGH tower had been there since 1955; and then all these folks moved in and decided they wanted them gone. (Because who doesn't have cable or satellite these days anyways?)

It wasn't as cut and dry as this but really, even if it's "difficult" the likelihood of something being done about 1224 post-passage is directly proportional to people's motivation to do something about it. The other side doesn't have "magic", just the wind at their backs - for now. I know some will choose to say "screw it, i'm done" - and that's their right. I personally hope some of us will remain after the fact and continue to push back and see what can be done about this. Absolutely within your right to think it's a waste of time, too.

But, my time to waste, so, hey, I'll waste it trying to push back on 1224.

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I've been pushing back. I've been rallying the troops as best as I can. I've been taking whatever steps granted to me but it appears as those steps are pointless when they fall on deaf ears. The fact that these reps feel they don't need to actually listen to their constituents is disgusting. It's painfully obvious that the vast majority is highly against these bills and that doesn't matter to them. They will pass and then we're all criminals.

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Originally Posted by aryntha

But, my time to waste, so, hey, I'll waste it trying to push back on 1224.

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I'm totally on board with that thought [Beer]

Just got this from Sen Brophy. I would add Nancy Todd to his list, and send Jahn and Tochtrop a thank you note. I'll be busy "wasting" my time this weekend.

Dear XXXXX

Give yourself a pat on the back. After over twelve hours of debate yesterday, the senate killed House Bill 1226, which would have banned concealed carry on college campuses, and Senate Bill 196, which would have held firearms manufacturers liable for damages caused by people using their products. We couldn't have defeated these bills without the actions of thousands of Second Amendment supporters who called and e-mailed their representatives, attended townhall meetings, and came to the capitol in droves to testify on the bills and oppose the gun grabbers.

The fight's not over yet, though. House Bills 1224, 1228, and 1229 and Senate Bills 195 and 197 passed and will be heard by the Senate once again on Monday. We still have a chance to stop these bills. Yesterday, we packed the senate gallery with Second Amendment supporters, forcing senators to face the people of Colorado before voting. I hope you can make it to the capitol Monday to watch the final vote.

Monday is our last best chance to stop the gun control bills. Call or e-mail your legislators immediately and tell them to vote "no." You can find your local legislators here: http://votesmart.org/. Your legislators’ contact information can be found athttp://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2013A/csl.nsf/Directory?openFrameset for the House and http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2013A/csl.nsf/DirectorySen?openframeset for the Senate. Please be polite and voice your opinions succinctly. Also, be sure to remind your legislators that their vote on these bills could determine whether they are reelected in 2014.

HB 1224, which would ban "high capacity" magazines, passed second readings by only one vote; if we can convince one more Democrat to vote against the bill, it will die. Below is a list of Democrat legislators the Denver Post has said might be persuaded to vote “no”:

Angela Giron
303-866-4878
angela.giron.senate@state.co.us

Cheri Jahn
303-866-4856
cheri.jahn.senate@state.co.us

Andy Kerr
303-866-4859
andy.kerr.senate@state.co.us

Gail Schwartz
303-866-4871
gail.schwartz.senate@state.co.us

Linda Newell
303-866-4846
linda.newell.senate@gmail.com

Please get ahold of these senators and tell them you do not support these bills and will not support any politician who votes for them.

Your activism made it possible for I and my Republican colleagues to shoot down HB 1226 and SB 196. We can't stop now. Your senators were elected to represent the people of Colorado. Let's hold them to their oaths.

Sincerely,
Senator Greg Brophy

The 'pushing back' and 'fighting the good fight' against these laws, should they become law, isn't a problem for those that remain, but children today, by and large, are not being raised the same as those of us in our 40's/50's/60's. When kids get suspended from school for tossing an imaginary grenade at evil, or suspended for making the symbol of a gun with their bare hand, it has an impact over time and many little minds are quite impressionable.

I'm spending this weekend in the mountains and spent much of yesterday shooting suppressed .22's off the back deck. Two eight year old boys were here (not mine, I own dogs). They preferred to spend time on their iPads...

Like it or not, there will be a shift in mentality over time and I cannot see society being as gun-friendly a decade from now as it is today.

I'm in a situation wherein it's not as easy for me to pick up and leave at the drop of a hat as it once was due to my wife's job but I do not in any way hold the viewpoint that those who chose to go are "defeatists" as some have posted. For a tiny glimpse of where that "I'm staying and fighting" mentality gets you, cruise on over to calguns.net and see how that 'good fight' is going. 30 years ago you could buy ammo at just about any gas station in Southern California - it was on the shelf right next to the booze, now CA gun owners think they're cool because they have a 10/22 that they've put an HK or AICS stock on as it looks 'tactical"!

The folks in CA and other states will 'fight the good fight', senselessly, until they're in a retirement home. I don't know about y'all but I tend to like results rather than mere endless confrontation. I have X number of years on this ball and I'd like to live my life how I want - right now, not hoping for some mirage on the horizon that continues to recede as I get closer.

As various CO companies continue to import employees for positions that aren't fillable by CO-natives, I sadly think we are going to see those people bring their coastal politics and fear/hatred of firearms with them. In many situations, this isn't a case of those people leaving a place they disliked and trying to replicate it here, it's a case of a CO employer dangling a lucrative carrot in front of their nose and people following the money.

The recall suggestions are interesting but is there some grand illusion that the folks that voted these clowns into office won't support them for doing the very things they were voted in to do?!

If there's only one thing hardcore liberals are good at doing, it's getting out the vote. I live in Boulder and see this firsthand: if they don't get what they want on first try, it's try try again, and again, and again. If there's to be a recall, it's not going to be a cakewalk.

I feel truly blessed that I'm 46 instead of 6.

How does everyone figure that local online marketplace will be destroyed? Can't you arrange trade/sale as usual but use an FFL to facilitate the transfer under new law?

Yeah, you could put it up for sale online, instead of meeting at such and such random spot, you will have to designate the ffl you want to meet at, figure out a time to meet him, stipulate who pays the fees etc.

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Originally Posted by Portsider86

How does everyone figure that local online marketplace will be destroyed? Can't you arrange trade/sale as usual but use an FFL to facilitate the transfer under new law?

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I would imagine that's how it would be done.

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Originally Posted by Portsider86

How does everyone figure that local online marketplace will be destroyed? Can't you arrange trade/sale as usual but use an FFL to facilitate the transfer under new law?

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Sure . . . but a lot of guys will disregard the new law and keep doing the same thing they have been since they've owned guns -- screen potential purchasers, settle on a deal, meet at a safe location, verify residency, and make the transaction. Adding a FFL complicates things several ways, not just the "background check" . . . there will be a permanent record of that transaction (regardless of what people claim or what is "legal"), and those records can be accessed by the DHS umbrella of federal LE agencies . . . including IRS. Did you declare any monies received from those transactions on your taxes and can you provide receipts? I didn't think so.

I also predict a lot of guys will get caught in LE stings and lose their 2nd Amendment rights and their entire collections over this.