You and people who think like you will continue to perpetuate this problem until there is no more country to save.
Thank you for being so hard headed.
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You and people who think like you will continue to perpetuate this problem until there is no more country to save.
Thank you for being so hard headed.
WTF ever.
Like it or not, the two party system is DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY. Rather than fight it, and stand up again and again for it, you get slapped down once, and give up. Put your yoke back on, your Perot adventure is over the flock is calling.
Don't worry, I'm sure the republicans will come around and govern with actual conservative principles this time...or maybe next time, or maybe the time after that, or perahaps for your grand children.
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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
Oooo, somebody got their panties in a wad.
Yeah this time around I think I'll vote for Bob, my neighbor. He's a pretty nice guy and I really like his stand on the issues. Bob for President! [Luck]
I agree with both of you; the two-party system has become a joke and is destroying this country. Our choices for many years have amounted to different sides of the same coin. Unfortunately I also believe the reality is that voting for a third party is a vote for "the other guy" though which one depends on who you ask. Could we vote in a 3rd party? I suppose it's possible but the rules of the game impose a lot of obstacles and the division of The People works to their disadvantage.
I don't believe it could be effectively changed by playing their game or voting in one single candidate or another because you are still playing with a marked deck. To change this we have to change the game. Status quo is no longer palatable unless you're happy with what has come before and what we see coming in our future. It's become obvious doing your best to vote for the best guy isn't working because we are only presented with choices that serve the game and not our best interests. We have to put aside the petty details of party affiliations and address the more systemic issues of corruption and cronyism. I propose we come together to discuss & discover how to return the government to it's rightful owner - The People.
Saw a good start in a thread here recently. [Coffee]
I have never voted a party line, consider myself pretty much only as Conservative although I generically support the Republican viewpoint. I believe in less government, the Constitution, and I prefer lower taxes.
Do I agree with everything the people i vote for have to say? Are you fucking kidding me? I cant even agree with my WIFE all the time! WTF are you nutrunners looking for? UTOPIA? Doesnt exist, just ask all the hippies who smoked up the last 40 years looking for it.
Paul has a lot of good things to say, its cool you like his viewpoint and identify with his ideals. The problem here is he will never win an election. Period. Keep on believing and drinking the kool-aid, but its not going to happen. Is a third party possible? 200 years of history says no.
So what are we to do?
How about working from within to change the party? And maybe understand that ALL POLITICS are exactly that, politics? Maybe, just maybe, that is the right path.
If you believe in smaller government, you should pay closer attention to the Republican party's record (especially since you claim to "support their viewpoint"). They don't agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwalker460
By the way, your speculation that a third party is not viable is in fact disproved by history. Two of the four Presidents immortalized on Mount Rushmore ran outside the two-party system: George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
oh my gosh you're right. you put it so succinctly without resorting to any namecalling or......oh wait nevermind.
its not about Paul. its about freedom, liberty, and standing up for what is right and just. neither party offers that and a compromise on those values is what? that's right, giving up a little freedom, liberty ands settling for what's not right or just.
many of you seem content to compromise your values over and over again, that's cool. Then you call the people who don't accept your compromise "nutrunners". less cool, but still your right I guess.
some of you would rather break the country up. this is not likely to be peaceful given the propensity of the federal government to declare war on its own citizens to hold theses states together and the size of their army/ nature of their weaponry. a second civil war would turn out much worse for the "south". As much as I would like to see the burdensome chains of this federal Leviathan lifted, it seems that the easiest way for this to come.about is to let it kill itself. vote Democrat. thresefle head will continue to consume the body at a faster pace with them in charge and you'll get your. reset a lot sooner.
I don't think any of us think Mitt is the perfect guy...far from it. But he would be an improvement. And that's what we have to focus on, improving things even if it's baby steps. Those who won't vote for Mitt because he is not perfect and they want to "change the system" are trying to bite off too big a chunk...take too big a step, that is frankly out of reach. Keep trying to take the big leap to fix the system and you will keep missing...gaining ZERO ground. Take a smaller step and at least have better chance of getting closer to the goal.
IMO, one more attempt at a big leap (few supporting a 3rd party who can't win) which results in one more miss (O'Bummer winning) might just put the system in a place where we can't take it back ever. This current POTUS will damage this country to such an extent if he is reelected that it will take more than a few election cycles to fix...it might never be fixed.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have to gain some ground, any ground. Spreading our votes out so BO wins ensures we won't gain ANY. Compartmentalization. Focus on a short term, attainable goal. Once we get that, focus on a new goal. There are battles and there are wars...
In other words, we can't go straight to Berlin, we have to battle through the rest of Europe first.
We can't go straight to Japan, we have to take the Aleutians, Marshall, Turk and Palau first.
Small victories.
Vote Mitt and get a small victory. Then we can reorganize, re-energize and take bigger steps over the next 4 years.