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The problem was not knowing who a shooter was and coming up with armed citizens in the process and going through the process it takes for several officers to stop, detain, and find out who this person was during the initial response. No one knew who the shooter was or where he had gone at the time, hence delaying a search of the actual suspect. That is what they are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by .455_Hunter
I think the PD did a pretty good job. Got him fairly quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
I was actually very happy to hear multiple people were armed. Put a smile on my face. Sorting through each as part of the investigation is just a necessary result of a politely armed society.
Yet another vilification of the armed citizens, with more "helpful" comments from Thornton PD, published on KUSA at 9:00 pm last night...
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POLICE HAD TO DECIPHER BETWEEN CUSTOMERS WITH GUNS AND THE SUSPECT AFTER WALMART SHOOTING
http://www.9news.com/mobile/article/...g/73-489004442
It is obvious that Thornton PD had never trained or planned for a contingency where they would encounter or have to process multiple armed citizens post-event, and are actively using said citizens as a scapegoat for bumbling the initial investigation.Quote:
He ultimately said there were between two-and-five "good guys" with guns.
Were there no:
- cameras looking directly at the shooting scene that could immediately reviewed? This was the checkout area, not the antifreeze and oil aisle.
- witness discriptions of the person doing the ACTUAL shooting?
- contemplation that the guy waiting around after the event with a personal weapon is probably NOT your suspect?
Sorry- Usually I am pretty loathe to criticize law enforcement, but this just smells and the media is lapping it up.
Wait, wait, wait.
So their investigation was "delayed" for hours because they had to keep following good guys with guns in the cameras and starting the tapes over. But after watching good guys with guns for hours, they only figured out that there were somewhere between 2 to 5 of them? Was every good guy with a gun wearing the same outfit?
No the investigation was delayed because they were trying to clear the building and area. No one knew where the shooter actually was so an investigation can't really start until the scene is safe. Nothing like reviewing video and getting blasted by the bad guy to make a bunch of people that have no idea how this works happy. No two witnesses ever tell the same story.
And the media has been doing their best to make TPD look like a bunch of assholes from the start.
I'm just glad to know that producing surveillance video from an incident at Walmart seems to go much better than trying to get good video from a casino in Las Vegas.
Given that there is no ongoing gunfire or confirmed threat, a group of armed LEO can't specifically secure the video room and begin reviewing tape until the ENTIRE crime scene location has be secured? That sounds like a page from the pre-Columbine tactics book of combat ineffectiveness.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
You think the media is trying make TPD look bad? That's nothing compared to their smear campaign against the armed citizens.
Victor Avila, the PD spokesman, specifically said there was a delay, in part, because they had to rewatch video because the good guys with guns made it unclear who the shooter was.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
I don't personally believe there was a delay at all. They got the guy within hours. It's the PD who said good guys with guns extended the investigation time.
I think the PD did a great job. But, I also think it's pretty silly that after watching all the good guys with guns on video, they don't actually know how many there were.Quote:
“Once the building was safe enough to get into it, we started reviewing that (surveillance video) as quickly as we could,” Avila said. “That’s when we started noticing that a number of individuals had pulled weapons.”
He added, “At that point, as soon as you see that, that’s the one you try to trace through the store, only to maybe find out that’s not him, and we’re back to ground zero again, starting to look again. That’s what led to the extended time.”
The PD created the "delay" conversation with the above statement. The media just took that and ran with it as is their MO.
^ So dramatic. No one suggested the PD should sit in the video room with their backs turned during an active shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevDen2005
TruthQuote:
Originally Posted by ray1970