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I know I've asked this before but didn't get a lot of responses.
Has anyone taken BJJ or GJJ at the Greenwood ATC, Busy BJJ, or Relson Gracie Littleton?
They've all got 1-2 week trials I'm going to take advantage of but if any of you have experience at any of these places I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks
Wow. Really sorry about that spelling mistake in the title
What mistake, I don't see any mistake [Beer]
Haha thank you. I sent a pm about it but I believe you fixed it before I even hit send. Very nice work sir.
Never been to any of those.. I have been to a few things where a Gracie was demonstrating/teaching... Not someone I'd want to tangle with.. I left that to those with bigger egos and smaller brains.
Was it you that previously mentioned Factory X? If so, how have your experiences there been?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monky
Hey now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monky
Any BJJ gym that has true affiliation with the original Gracie boys should take care of you.
I did mention Factory X previously. It's good. I'm still recovering from a little bit of a broken spine, so I can't currently train (no it wasn't during BJJ).. I'm looking forward to one day getting back.. Not sure where I want to go though.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye4rnr
Our kids train at Busy and they are awesome there. I do as well but my travel schedule has kept me from really getting back into it.
Busy has a great atmosphere; everyone is very respectful and works to help each other (especially the new guys). It's smaller and many of the classes including kids and fundamentals (white belt) are taught by Professor Mario, the other instructors are great as well. I'd suggest doing the free trial and seeing what you think.
At the belt promotions one thing that has been stressed by many of the people who have attended several gyms over the years is quality and respect of the students. No one is out to prove they can beat up on the lower belts but the level of competition is high.
Find a good BJJ place, but don't focus solely on BJJ. Mix in some Krav and/or Systema as well.
Krav pairs excellent w/ BJJ. Only down side is I've yet to find a Krav place that has actual instructors beyond basic BJJ.
I need to do something.. I got a little fluffy.
If someone knows a good Krav place I am looking for one. Mile High Gracie is pretty good if you want a laid back atmosphere.
Spoke with one of the professors at my gym, he recommends busy BJJ.
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Originally Posted by th3w01f
Thanks for all the help fellas. I'm going to do the free trials and see which is the best fit for me but it's always nice to know that others have heard good things about a few of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I think it'll probably come down to the GJJ place in Littleton and Busy BJJ. As nice as it would be to have my gym and bjj school all under one roof I'm sure they don't get quite the traffic the other places do so probably can't pull in the same quality teachers.
Best Krav instructor in town is Tom Johnson at Innovative Martial Arts. He teaches at Colorado's Pro Gym in Aurora. Tom is the best teacher that I've ever had. He not only explains how to do something, but why you do it that way. I can't recommend Tom enough. I just wish I had the time/money to get back training with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scogin
I have been Thai boxing with Bryan Youngs as my kru since 2009. He fought under Master Chai when he was still at Rising Phoenix in Indiana. I began working no gi submission wrestling and jits with Ronald Brisco who is a John Krouch purple, and brown under Alvin Robinson in January of 2012. Both instruct out of Grudge Training Center, along with boxing coach Jacob Ramos (Manny Perez's head coach, along with Pat Barry and various other UFC alumn).
I would say without question we have the best team in Colorado, so if you can make it up to Arvada (Ralston and Sheridan; new facility), I would HIGHLY encourage you to do so. If you are really limited to the south Denver area, Factory X Muay Thai is Marc Montoya's gym, and his BJJ team is as complete as his MMA and kickboxing ones. His head BJJ instructor is a Dean Lister black belt who also teaches ground fighting to MARSOC, Navy EOD, and various LEOs. Factory X is on Santa Fe just north of Belleview. Chris Camozzi, Chase Hackett, and Scott Jorgenson are all Factory X mainstays.
And I won't get into a detailed Krav Maga rant, but if you want to learn a combat-oriented martial art, don't waste your time with KM. Find a legitimate PTK, Kali, and/or Escrima instructor.
I'll bite. What makes you say that? You can't just say "Krav is a waste of time" and not explain your issues. Hell I'll even start another Krav thread so we don't hijack the BJJ thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
I mean you literally couldn't be more wrong...but I am always curious about folk's problems with Krav [Coffee]
Krav is out for me, I spoke to a former Delta guy and he said they use GJJ so if it's good enough for them it's probably way better than what I need. Any idea how much Factory X is monthly? Their website doesn't have a ton of info and if I were to do it, I'm right now not interested in competing so would that be an issue for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
Thanks for the detailed response too.
Been outta the game for a while but HighAltitude MMA seemed solid place
Join a local high school's club wrestling team. I'm not joking. Having a wrestling base is a great advantage, but once you're out of high school that ship seems to have sailed. But it really hasn't. It's just that nobody does it.
Any local club team is theoretically for all ages, but in reality it's mostly kids and high schoolers. Tournaments go up to the open age class. And many of the high schoolers will dominate you if you're in the right place. They'd give you all you want, and that's all you need to get better at anything. Many of you probably laugh at the thought, but it's honestly not a question of if they're good enough for you, it's if you're good enough for them. Find out where the returning state champs around your weight go to school, and try to go there. Go to open room practices around the area. There will be no lack of competition.
If you feel weird about it, arrange to wrestle with just the coaches for 20 minutes and see if you like it. They won't beg you to come wrestle there like you're doing them a favor, but they'd probably be willing to treat you just like anyone else. It would be inexpensive ($50 for months maybe), great workouts, and would help immensely with takedowns and being on your feet.
Please don't hurt 'em Hammer. That would be the big no-no. If you're way stronger than someone, don't crush them. You'd have to take it easy for a while until you learn what you're doing. Once you get in the groove, then you can go all out. It's strong guys that don't know anything that cause injuries.
Source: I was a high school coach for 10 years. We never had a 25 or 35 year old who knew nothing come ask to do this, but I think it would have been acceptable. To keep the parents happy, we probably would have made him get fingerprinted and get a background check, just like the coaches have to do. But other than that, it wouldn't be weird at all. The kids are wrestling with older guys (coaches and alumni) every single day already, it's just that they've been checked out or we knew who they were. If you're a stranger, it's a little bit different, but has nothing to do with being older and wanting to learn how to wrestle.
That is a damn good idea. I just might go back to my old high school and see if they would be down for an arrangement like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalmeow
I could definitely be more wrong. I'll tell you from my experience, along with the experience of literally every single combat sports/pugilistic champion, that to be proficient in application, you need to practice the application. In plain English, if you can't spar full contact, you're never going to be able to use your skills to their application in an actual confrontation. You can be Jason Bourne on the pads, bag, and body shield, but until you've actually had the chance to throw full power back and forth and gain that confidence, muscle memory, and discipline, it's all for shit. The problem with KM lies in that a great majority of its techniques aren't able to be practiced at full power. You can't exactly smash in your training partner's windpipe or blast him full on in the groin every other night.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
I recommend Filipino fighting systems over KM because the empty hand techniques can actually be practiced at power, and the edged and impact weapons can be practiced, as well. There's a reason MARSOC and Green Berets have Filipino instructors come and teach them over KM. I would be more than comfortable fighting a Krav Maga practicioner at full power knowing that I've developed the familiarity with being hit, know my range and speed limitations at full power, and won't have an adrenaline dump or cardiovascular/respiratory overexertion from the excitement. People who train exclusively to actually fight are going to be a hell of a lot better at, you know, actually fighting.
It's like this: the grunt who trains basic infantry combat techniques and is allowed to fire live rounds is going to cut down the special forces ninja who only gets to practice with dummy guns and theory movements.
I'm not familiar with their pricing structure, but they would be more than willing to have you just to learn self defense or do it as a hobby. A great deal of people at MMA/BJJ/boxing gyms aren't there to compete, they just want to ensure that they have instruction from people who have.Quote:
Originally Posted by buckeye4rnr
What type of direct experience do you have with Krav, because your opinion of it seems to be quite flawed. With that said, there are many Krav schools that aren't 100% legit (as with many forms of combat sports).Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
Trained at Colorado Krav Maga in early 2009. My criticisms seem to be par for the course, as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
Back when I did it I went to Rocky Mountain Krav Maga in Castle Rock. I'm pretty sure the instructor's name was John, and I remember liking his teaching style a lot. To give you a time reference, they were just starting to talk about this new thing called Crossfit at the time. I remember they we're also talking about openin up a place in Aurora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scogin
That is who I trained with, John Hallett, out of the Aurora RMKM. It's been there for a few years tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcantar18c
A few years sounds right. Like I said, this was a while ago that I was there. Glad to hear he's still around.
I won't dabble with the bullshit childish arguments like ford vs Chevy, .40 vs .45(screw 9mm), my dad can beat up your dad, or the krav vs bjj. If you want purely eye gouging ball kicking spitting elbowing for self defense then krav is for you. If you want to learn an art, learn how to practically and competitively apply it in real life conditions to for bjj/Muay Thai. Set your goals, buckle down and train like a champion every day.
For the record I tried krav and bjj, I chose bjj. Bjj fits me and my goals better.
Now quit bitching at each other and show some discipline and respect for your art.
You get out what you put in. Anyone fit and that has had training in some type of martial art will do well in most encounters. Yes there is a difference in those traditional arts and the history, lineage of instructors etc. There are those that strip all that away and get to what works with explosive first strikes. I trained TKD early on that had a very strong self defense. My body just could not handle to jump spinning kicks any more so I keep them firmly on the ground. Loved judo but it hurts too damn much to get thrown 30-40 times a night. BJJ really gets your core in shape but if someone gets me in that situation I am going for groin, eyes, biting, anything not fair because there are no rules in a real fight. Me I want to keep on my feet and train for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I am at Premier White Tiger in Aurora, Smoke Hill and Gun Club. Right now the program is a cross of cardio kick boxing with a lot of Krav for self defense. Many of us will attend the winter KRAV camps that are held in the state patrol training facility. We will get 150 or more there for the seminars. They are hard and very well run.
I train there because the owner and I came up together in our TKD program and I helped with training a lot when he first opened before he could afford to pay instructors. He has added cross fit and Zumba for those not interested in a martial arts program. I teach the Japanese sword class on Thu night with another black belt. That is VERY traditional. He will be adding BJJ very soon.
As I have told other people you could spend hours in a gym, be fairly fit but still not be able to protect yourself. You can always find harder and softer styles to suit your needs. Find something you enjoy and will enjoy.
At the last KRAV winter camp we had several scenarios where they screwed with our cognitive awareness and put us into a stress encounter with instructors dressed in the full contact suits. How quickly years of training can be out of grasp. In my first one I did not throw one kick not even a KRAV groin kick but they stopped me just as I got control of the stun knife and had the instructor in an uncomfortable wrist lock with good pressure on his elbow. In the next one I did better with very good technique to disengage an attacker from a downed victim and got to pound away full speed and force on the helmet of the instructor. Good fun.
Well I do apologize that you have that opinion of Krav. I'm not familiar with the Colorado Krav instructors, but I am familiar with the poor reviews that place has received. I can only speak of my experience, but when we would train knife defense I would try and put the training knife through my parter's chest cavity. While you are correct that you can't train some of the more "violent" techniques full contact...you sure as hell can train those at full speed. I haven't repeatedly kicked my training partner in the groin, but come up and pull a knife on me and see if you don't get some swift, full contact kicks to the groin. Not trying to be an internet tough guy here...but as hurley stated, your view of Krav is flawed and I'm just giving it to you straight on how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
As I said before, I'm not sure how you were trained when you tried Krav...but I also would be more than comfortable fighting a/an (insert martial art name here) practitioner in a full contact situation, because that's how we were trained. If you don't want to do Krav, nobody will force you to. But let's all have a positive attitude towards other's martial art of choice. All martial arts have SOME value that can be applied to your life.
Except Aikido...that whole thing is bullshit [LOL]
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White Tiger
We need a non sanctioned not approved by coar15, no holds barred tourney so you guys can figure it out.
Has to be in an octagon though...Quote:
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Duh. HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Delfuego
Roflmao @ zero theory. He reminds me of an attorney I know... Thinks his shit doesn't stink. Is that you Matt?
Sent by a free-range electronic weasel, with no sense of personal space.
Fair enough. Speaking of Aikido, look up 'Turkish Wrestler vs Aikido Grand Master' on YT.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugnacAutMortem
Nope. Just relating my experiences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monky
Gracie - living in the past.
Is that a real video? I didn't have the sound up so I don't know if they were speaking english and explained that particular encounter...but that's about what I expected. I actually was kind of kidding about Aikido, as I have no 1st hand experience with it. But honestly that doesn't surprise me haha. If they let Steven fucking Segal become a high level master then it's a martial art that I really don't want much to do with.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZERO THEORY
I guess proof would be Matt Hughes vs Royce Gracie Matt was well rounded MMA while Royce still trying the old bag of tricks that got him by. Seems that BJJ along with Krav , Judo, Muay Thai and whatever is the way to go. Or it could be Royce is 7 years older than MattQuote:
Originally Posted by Graves