Martial Arts - BJJ/GJJ

[generalmeow]

Join a local high school's club wrestling team. I'm not joking. Having a wrestling base is a great advantage, but once you're out of high school that ship seems to have sailed. But it really hasn't. It's just that nobody does it.

Any local club team is theoretically for all ages, but in reality it's mostly kids and high schoolers. Tournaments go up to the open age class. And many of the high schoolers will dominate you if you're in the right place. They'd give you all you want, and that's all you need to get better at anything. Many of you probably laugh at the thought, but it's honestly not a question of if they're good enough for you, it's if you're good enough for them. Find out where the returning state champs around your weight go to school, and try to go there. Go to open room practices around the area. There will be no lack of competition.

If you feel weird about it, arrange to wrestle with just the coaches for 20 minutes and see if you like it. They won't beg you to come wrestle there like you're doing them a favor, but they'd probably be willing to treat you just like anyone else. It would be inexpensive ($50 for months maybe), great workouts, and would help immensely with takedowns and being on your feet.

Please don't hurt 'em Hammer. That would be the big no-no. If you're way stronger than someone, don't crush them. You'd have to take it easy for a while until you learn what you're doing. Once you get in the groove, then you can go all out. It's strong guys that don't know anything that cause injuries.

Source: I was a high school coach for 10 years. We never had a 25 or 35 year old who knew nothing come ask to do this, but I think it would have been acceptable. To keep the parents happy, we probably would have made him get fingerprinted and get a background check, just like the coaches have to do. But other than that, it wouldn't be weird at all. The kids are wrestling with older guys (coaches and alumni) every single day already, it's just that they've been checked out or we knew who they were. If you're a stranger, it's a little bit different, but has nothing to do with being older and wanting to learn how to wrestle.

[PugnacAutMortem]

Join a local high school's club wrestling team. I'm not joking. Having a wrestling base is a great advantage, but once you're out of high school that ship seems to have sailed. But it really hasn't. It's just that nobody does it.

Any local club team is theoretically for all ages, but in reality it's mostly kids and high schoolers. Tournaments go up to the open age class. And many of the high schoolers will dominate you if you're in the right place. They'd give you all you want, and that's all you need to get better at anything. Many of you probably laugh at the thought, but it's honestly not a question of if they're good enough for you, it's if you're good enough for them. Find out where the returning state champs around your weight go to school, and try to go there. Go to open room practices around the area. There will be no lack of competition.

If you feel weird about it, arrange to wrestle with just the coaches for 20 minutes and see if you like it. They won't beg you to come wrestle there like you're doing them a favor, but they'd probably be willing to treat you just like anyone else. It would be inexpensive ($50 for months maybe), great workouts, and would help immensely with takedowns and being on your feet.

Please don't hurt 'em Hammer. That would be the big no-no. If you're way stronger than someone, don't crush them. You'd have to take it easy for a while until you learn what you're doing. Once you get in the groove, then you can go all out. It's strong guys that don't know anything that cause injuries.

Source: I was a high school coach for 10 years. We never had a 25 or 35 year old who knew nothing come ask to do this, but I think it would have been acceptable. To keep the parents happy, we probably would have made him get fingerprinted and get a background check, just like the coaches have to do. But other than that, it wouldn't be weird at all. The kids are wrestling with older guys (coaches and alumni) every single day already, it's just that they've been checked out or we knew who they were. If you're a stranger, it's a little bit different, but has nothing to do with being older and wanting to learn how to wrestle.

That is a damn good idea. I just might go back to my old high school and see if they would be down for an arrangement like this.

[ZERO THEORY]

I'll bite. What makes you say that? You can't just say "Krav is a waste of time" and not explain your issues. Hell I'll even start another Krav thread so we don't hijack the BJJ thread.

I mean you literally couldn't be more wrong...but I am always curious about folk's problems with Krav

I could definitely be more wrong. I'll tell you from my experience, along with the experience of literally every single combat sports/pugilistic champion, that to be proficient in application, you need to practice the application. In plain English, if you can't spar full contact, you're never going to be able to use your skills to their application in an actual confrontation. You can be Jason Bourne on the pads, bag, and body shield, but until you've actually had the chance to throw full power back and forth and gain that confidence, muscle memory, and discipline, it's all for shit. The problem with KM lies in that a great majority of its techniques aren't able to be practiced at full power. You can't exactly smash in your training partner's windpipe or blast him full on in the groin every other night.

I recommend Filipino fighting systems over KM because the empty hand techniques can actually be practiced at power, and the edged and impact weapons can be practiced, as well. There's a reason MARSOC and Green Berets have Filipino instructors come and teach them over KM. I would be more than comfortable fighting a Krav Maga practicioner at full power knowing that I've developed the familiarity with being hit, know my range and speed limitations at full power, and won't have an adrenaline dump or cardiovascular/respiratory overexertion from the excitement. People who train exclusively to actually fight are going to be a hell of a lot better at, you know, actually fighting.

It's like this: the grunt who trains basic infantry combat techniques and is allowed to fire live rounds is going to cut down the special forces ninja who only gets to practice with dummy guns and theory movements.

Krav is out for me, I spoke to a former Delta guy and he said they use GJJ so if it's good enough for them it's probably way better than what I need. Any idea how much Factory X is monthly? Their website doesn't have a ton of info and if I were to do it, I'm right now not interested in competing so would that be an issue for them?

Thanks for the detailed response too.

I'm not familiar with their pricing structure, but they would be more than willing to have you just to learn self defense or do it as a hobby. A great deal of people at MMA/BJJ/boxing gyms aren't there to compete, they just want to ensure that they have instruction from people who have.

[hurley842002]

I could definitely be more wrong. I'll tell you from my experience, along with the experience of literally every single combat sports/pugilistic champion, that to be proficient in application, you need to practice the application. In plain English, if you can't spar full contact, you're never going to be able to use your skills to their application in an actual confrontation. You can be Jason Bourne on the pads, bag, and body shield, but until you've actually had the chance to throw full power back and forth and gain that confidence, muscle memory, and discipline, it's all for shit. The problem with KM lies in that a great majority of its techniques aren't able to be practiced at full power. You can't exactly smash in your training partner's windpipe or blast him full on in the groin every other night.

I recommend Filipino fighting systems over KM because the empty hand techniques can actually be practiced at power, and the edged and impact weapons can be practiced, as well. There's a reason MARSOC and Green Berets have Filipino instructors come and teach them over KM. I would be more than comfortable fighting a Krav Maga practicioner at full power knowing that I've developed the familiarity with being hit, know my range and speed limitations at full power, and won't have an adrenaline dump or cardiovascular/respiratory overexertion from the excitement. People who train exclusively to actually fight are going to be a hell of a lot better at, you know, actually fighting.

It's like this: the grunt who trains basic infantry combat techniques and is allowed to fire live rounds is going to cut down the special forces ninja who only gets to practice with dummy guns and theory movements.



I'm not familiar with their pricing structure, but they would be more than willing to have you just to learn self defense or do it as a hobby. A great deal of people at MMA/BJJ/boxing gyms aren't there to compete, they just want to ensure that they have instruction from people who have.

What type of direct experience do you have with Krav, because your opinion of it seems to be quite flawed. With that said, there are many Krav schools that aren't 100% legit (as with many forms of combat sports).

[ZERO THEORY]

What type of direct experience do you have with Krav, because your opinion of it seems to be quite flawed. With that said, there are many Krav schools that aren't 100% legit (as with many forms of combat sports).

Trained at Colorado Krav Maga in early 2009. My criticisms seem to be par for the course, as well.

[mcantar18c]

If someone knows a good Krav place I am looking for one. Mile High Gracie is pretty good if you want a laid back atmosphere.

Back when I did it I went to Rocky Mountain Krav Maga in Castle Rock. I'm pretty sure the instructor's name was John, and I remember liking his teaching style a lot. To give you a time reference, they were just starting to talk about this new thing called Crossfit at the time. I remember they we're also talking about openin up a place in Aurora.

[hurley842002]

Back when I did it I went to Rocky Mountain Krav Maga in Castle Rock. I'm pretty sure the instructor's name was John, and I remember liking his teaching style a lot. To give you a time reference, they were just starting to talk about this new thing called Crossfit at the time. I remember they we're also talking about openin up a place in Aurora.

That is who I trained with, John Hallett, out of the Aurora RMKM. It's been there for a few years tho.

[mcantar18c]

A few years sounds right. Like I said, this was a while ago that I was there. Glad to hear he's still around.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

I won't dabble with the bullshit childish arguments like ford vs Chevy, .40 vs .45(screw 9mm), my dad can beat up your dad, or the krav vs bjj. If you want purely eye gouging ball kicking spitting elbowing for self defense then krav is for you. If you want to learn an art, learn how to practically and competitively apply it in real life conditions to for bjj/Muay Thai. Set your goals, buckle down and train like a champion every day.

For the record I tried krav and bjj, I chose bjj. Bjj fits me and my goals better.

Now quit bitching at each other and show some discipline and respect for your art.

[SamuraiCO]

I won't dabble with the bullshit childish arguments like ford vs Chevy, .40 vs .45(screw 9mm), my dad can beat up your dad, or the krav vs bjj. If you want purely eye gouging ball kicking spitting elbowing for self defense then krav is for you. If you want to learn an art, learn how to practically and competitively apply it in real life conditions to for bjj/Muay Thai. Set your goals, buckle down and train like a champion every day.

For the record I tried krav and bjj, I chose bjj. Bjj fits me and my goals better.

Now quit bitching at each other and show some discipline and respect for your art.

You get out what you put in. Anyone fit and that has had training in some type of martial art will do well in most encounters. Yes there is a difference in those traditional arts and the history, lineage of instructors etc. There are those that strip all that away and get to what works with explosive first strikes. I trained TKD early on that had a very strong self defense. My body just could not handle to jump spinning kicks any more so I keep them firmly on the ground. Loved judo but it hurts too damn much to get thrown 30-40 times a night. BJJ really gets your core in shape but if someone gets me in that situation I am going for groin, eyes, biting, anything not fair because there are no rules in a real fight. Me I want to keep on my feet and train for that.

I am at Premier White Tiger in Aurora, Smoke Hill and Gun Club. Right now the program is a cross of cardio kick boxing with a lot of Krav for self defense. Many of us will attend the winter KRAV camps that are held in the state patrol training facility. We will get 150 or more there for the seminars. They are hard and very well run.

I train there because the owner and I came up together in our TKD program and I helped with training a lot when he first opened before he could afford to pay instructors. He has added cross fit and Zumba for those not interested in a martial arts program. I teach the Japanese sword class on Thu night with another black belt. That is VERY traditional. He will be adding BJJ very soon.

As I have told other people you could spend hours in a gym, be fairly fit but still not be able to protect yourself. You can always find harder and softer styles to suit your needs. Find something you enjoy and will enjoy.

At the last KRAV winter camp we had several scenarios where they screwed with our cognitive awareness and put us into a stress encounter with instructors dressed in the full contact suits. How quickly years of training can be out of grasp. In my first one I did not throw one kick not even a KRAV groin kick but they stopped me just as I got control of the stun knife and had the instructor in an uncomfortable wrist lock with good pressure on his elbow. In the next one I did better with very good technique to disengage an attacker from a downed victim and got to pound away full speed and force on the helmet of the instructor. Good fun.