Blue Future for CO?

I've got land in CO, near Trinidad, and plan to move there in the next year or two, but I'm a bit concerned about the way that this last election went. Is CO becoming more liberal? I couldn't help but notice that the state went to obama and that the senate seat went to Udall.

I know that Denver has some screwy gun laws, but I want to make sure that the rest of the state isn't turning liberal, or that Denver isn't getting so powerful that they'll turn the state liberal much like Chicago has with Illinois. I'd hate to leave TN only to find that they're turning into a liberal state and suddenly my stuff is illegal, and that includes class 3 stuff as well.

Anyone that want's to comment on this I'd love to hear it. I'm especially concerned about losing things like sound suppressors, magazines, and of course my beloved AR-15s.

I hope not.

I hate to say it, but I think CO is turning more and more blue. Over the last few years, we've had a large influx of Californians, and they seem to have brought their politics here with them.
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Originally Posted by ifrmeav8r

I hate to say it, but I think CO is turning more and more blue. Over the last few years, we've had a large influx of Californians, and they seem to have brought their politics here with them.
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Are they mostly staying in Denver or branching out to the more rural areas? This doesn't sound like a good thing.

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Originally Posted by ifrmeav8r

I hate to say it, but I think CO is turning more and more blue. Over the last few years, we've had a large influx of Californians, and they seem to have brought their politics here with them.
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+1 Sad but true. Even the small towns on the plains are turning blue thanks to the influx of illegals with fake IDs that vote. I never thought I'd see Demoncraps running Weld County.

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Originally Posted by Paradude54

I've got land in CO, near Trinidad, and plan to move there in the next year or two, but I'm a bit concerned about the way that this last election went. Is CO becoming more liberal? I couldn't help but notice that the state went to obama and that the senate seat went to Udall.

I know that Denver has some screwy gun laws, but I want to make sure that the rest of the state isn't turning liberal, or that Denver isn't getting so powerful that they'll turn the state liberal much like Chicago has with Illinois. I'd hate to leave TN only to find that they're turning into a liberal state and suddenly my stuff is illegal, and that includes class 3 stuff as well.

Anyone that want's to comment on this I'd love to hear it. I'm especially concerned about losing things like sound suppressors, magazines, and of course my beloved AR-15s.

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Hey Para-

I will say this about CO: Having lived in TN for a number of years myself, CO has WAY better CCW laws than TN...far fewer restrictions on where you can carry. TN is right to carry in name only. Ginsue made a good point that there have been several attempts at changing some of the gun laws here, there has not been much actual change. Kinda surprising since we have a Dumbocrap state legislature, and the governor is so far to the left, he's about to fall off the cliff.

Its pretty nice here as far as the second amendment goes. We have a good right to carry and NO Evil Black Rifle ban (outside of Denver{but shouldn't have one at all since the state has preemption}) So we need as many progun people as we can here. It just takes some Sabar rattling sometimes.

I hate to say it, but the political climate isn't a direct result of Californians. This has been a trend for awhile across the entire US. CA was invaded by the east coast libs a few decades ago as evident by their past elections and it's just now catching up with the interior of the US. Anyone who thinks enough Californians moved into this state to turn an election is just delusional. You don't need to look further than your own neighbors to see who the libs and dems are, and that's just the sad reality of it.

Anyone who spends any amount of time in arfcom GD would be led to believe that CA has invaded and taken over 49 states and obviously that's just an absurd notion. It's just the nature of large cities and the way politics are run.

Kind of along the same lines...

My wife and I have been talking about buying some land now, with the intention of retiring to it in ~30yrs.

We've been talking about Salida (CO), but lately I'm starting to wonder if we'd be better-off in Idaho, Montana or even Texas?

Mike

I blame the media. They have the biggest influence over people and they shape public opinion. The liberal thought can be spread as easily as common sense if left unchecked. Smart but nieve minds are the best to infect with liberal ideas. I am guessing that is why so many liberals are college teachers.

With enough mis information spreading around you can get people to believe just about anything.

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Originally Posted by DOC

I blame the media. They have the biggest influence over people and they shape public opinion. The liberal thought can be spread as easily as common sense if left unchecked. Smart but nieve minds are the best to infect with liberal ideas. I am guessing that is why so many liberals are college teachers.

With enough mis information spreading around you can get people to believe just about anything.

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That's probably my best explanation for it as well. I honestly believe it stems mostly from the media and what people are force fed. I also believe a lot of it stems from the public school system as well as the college system. It's not like being from a specific regions makes you more or less liberal, it's what you're exposed to. For instance when it's said time and time again, taught time and time again that guns are evil, you're going to believe it.

Do you honestly believe ALL WWII era Germans were ok with what was going on there? Same thing goes for communism. They believe it to be right the way we are taught it is wrong. It's all a matter of exposure and upbringing in my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by theGinsue

What I have seen is a complete change in attitudes towards firearms around the state. 20 years ago you could walk down the street in Gunnison, Durango (major Dem hub now), Estes Park, and Crested Butte with a handgun openly carried on your hip and no-one gave you a second glance. Now, you can expect a visit by a local LE officer asking what your intentions are and asking you to put the gun in your vehicle.

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This is the real problem- people seeing guns as evil, being brainwashed by the media... got into a "discussion" with a philosophy major from UC Boulder.. happens to be my boss's daughter... after about 20 minutes of me defeating all of her talking points, she wanted to be done- because she was losing her argument badly... she usually starts the debate because she wants to... I guess being a philosophy major does that?[Bang]

That's when I told her never argue with an Alaskan about the 2nd amendment... it's like wrestling in the mud with a pig- after a while, you realize they enjoy it...
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I suppose that I should point out that liberal bias and common sense are polar opposites of each other. And that liberal ideas are harder to spread unless worded right. But can be easy to poke holes in if questioned.

For instance: Say that you are a bright and shiny liberal fresh from college. You just shaved your beard and took a shower and are ready to sell out and join the establishment. You want to do help those less forutunate by giving them money. You think that welfare checks should be increased but you need to raise the money some how? You tax something. And give the money to single mothers so they can buy food and what nots.

Well it sounds good but say you are the one paying the taxes. You have to folk over more money for something that you buy for no reason or benifet to you. You ask the leftist why? They say because it helps mothers and he has so much and I have so much that I should share without question. Its the right thing to do.

The moral is liberals feel they owe a great debt to their fellow man... a debt they plan to repay with your money.

That sucks and seams evil.

With all of the "obama fever" this election season it is ironic that for the first time since 1869 Tennessee has a Republican majority in both houses. They're ditching the Speaker of the House that would always put a hold on any positive firearms legislation and keep it from even getting to the floor for an up or down vote. Now it looks like we'll get some good stuff here; CCW in restaurants that serve alcohol and perhaps even carry on campuses (though that's one is less likely). TN went to McCain, or actually against obama, but a bit over 20%.

On the other hand a neighboring state went to obama by something like 5%. That state was Virginia, where my entire family lives and fully 1/2 of them drank the kool-aid and voted with the "feelings" for obama.

While I hear it being said that CO is still mostly 2nd Amendment free, it's just Denver that's a problem, I also saw where someone had posted something about Denver not allowing large capacity magazines (over 20 rounds). My concern in moving there is having Denver drive the politics of the state and suddenly discovering that some of what I own is illegal. And just to make it worse, the class 3 stuff is registered, so it wouldn't be hard for them to come after me and demand that I turn it over.

Kinda' scary! I love the area around Trinidad and Cokedale in the far southern end of the state. Not too cold, snow, but not all the time, dry climate, that's a big part of my reason for buying land there a couple of years ago and not in the boonies in Idaho or somewhere up there.

Yeah, I know, I'm preaching to the choir, but I like to get things off of my mind from time to time.

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Originally Posted by DOC

The moral is liberals feel they owe a great debt to their fellow man... a debt they plan to repay with your money.

That sucks and seams evil.

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sounds more like Marxism...
and the problem is when there are sponges that would rather live off that than contribute to society... and there always will be, since it's in human nature.. just stronger in some than others..

I like the direction Alaska is headed- in 2003 they lifted the requirement for a CCW permit to carry concealed- you can still apply for a permit if you want/need reciprocity, but they recognize that concealed carry is an inherent part of the 2nd amendment...

and I think alot of people drank the kool-aid this election... this is the 2nd time (in recent history) that change just for the sake of change has worked for the Democrats, they managed to draw alot of people into their narcissistic fantasy world... anytime you can point out something factual that goes against whom they're following, they get agressive...

there's where the real danger is with the upcoming leadership, IMHO...

Yeah the Dems will attack you personally and every other way they can if you disagree. I am not looking forward to charge because its not always good and hope isn't a plan, its sounds to condescending. He has 2 years to do whatever his liberal bones tell him. Or longer if he can keep the dims in line.

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Originally Posted by michael_aos

Kind of along the same lines...

My wife and I have been talking about buying some land now, with the intention of retiring to it in ~30yrs.

We've been talking about Salida (CO), but lately I'm starting to wonder if we'd be better-off in Idaho, Montana or even Texas?

Mike

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Well, If you dont mind liberals- its not a bad place. If not- run away, far away! lol. Salida is so screwed up right now. Tons of tree huggin, hippie liberal rejects running around there. Kinda wierd as its totaly surrounded by ranchers that are the real salt of the earth, common sense types. Not sure where all the weirdos came from- but they werent there 10years ago.

You may find some of the info in here helpful: http://www.survivalblog.com/retreatareas.html

Although it was written for a very different purpose, it has some useful information about gun laws in the various western states.

I spend a lot of time in Salida. I grew up here and left for several years and now I'm back at least in the county. Salida is getting weird. I still really like the town and the surrounding area but some of the people here are off their rockers.

Most of it confined to down town. Chaffee county did stay red in the last election but only by something like 1% of the vote.

We have 2 gun shops here, a great public range and of course the mountains. It is getting crowded over here but nothing like the Springs or even Grand Junction. If I had a choice and in about 9 years I will, when the last kid is gone we are going to move to Montana or Idaho.