Initial reports say it lost its tail on landing approach no words on injured or deaths
Fox if streaming it live it's been burning pretty heavy for the last hour and they seem to finally have the fire under control
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Initial reports say it lost its tail on landing approach no words on injured or deaths
Fox if streaming it live it's been burning pretty heavy for the last hour and they seem to finally have the fire under control
Is this the new Dreamjet that's been having the battery problems?
No the dreamliner is the 787Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
wow....that's epic!!! the debris starts way before the threshold and the empennage was way back there. that's some crazy crap!
edit: looks like it hit the seawall at the very start of the runway environment.
Hope all got out ok, saw some people getting on a bus...
Yea looks like pilot was way shortQuote:
Originally Posted by muddywings
awesome news faa report 0 fatalities
Holy crap...pictures of people evacuating and they have their carryon bags!!!! PSA: if I'm in a plane crash and you are getting your carryon luggage from the overhead bin you'll get more than just an elbow to the ribs!!!! Crazy!
tower audio for those who are interested....nothing glaring on it though:
http://soberbuildengineer-com.s3.ama...KSFO-Crash.mp3
Looks like Boeing will sell another airplane.
Looks like Boeing will sell another airplane. I`ve made some bad landings...not that bad! more to this.. Birds?
would be the environment for them....Quote:
Originally Posted by mdflem51
Please forgive my levity..2 dead..
Bad news. I'm curious to see what the findings are
yea...my gut is leaning away from birds and more towards human error. just a gut feeling though
My understanding is the empennage struck the seawall due to a short landing. Maybe I am wrong...
Heard it was descending at 1400 fpm right before impact so I'm thinking they didn't get the engine(s) to spool up when they needed it on short final... similar to what happened to that other 777 in London a couple of years ago?
Wow. This report says ice crystals formed in the fuel of the 777 crash in London. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38
London had Rolls-Royce engines vs. this one had Pratt & Whitney engines. As far as I know none of the Pratt engines have had any of those issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Not looking good for the pilots here. Speculation on my part so stop reading now if you have a problem with speculation. Both the Glideslope and VASI were NOTAMed out of service. Combine that with an Asian carrier that rarely manually lands the plane by hand and I am going to say this one looks like pilot error. Basically, it is like trying to shoot an apple 200 yards out and looking through the scope but not having cross hairs at all.
Eye witness on the news described a high approach with a high rate of descent but an approach that would have put them Much to low at the end of the runway.
Sounds like they were high and got a steep angle to the runway which put them low without the engines spooled up and they ended up short with a high rate of descent and possibly stalling in the flare which could have hit the seawall or struck the tail on the runway.
Asian airlines should have a "Height requirement" for pilots....Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
This is horrible
[LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
Oh - I wouldn't say it's that hard. There are other methods of determining a proper glideslope even without the VASI or glideslope. The FMC can be programmed to show a fix at a predetermined distance from the runway, then you so simple 3:1 math to keep track of where you should be on a proper glideslope. Or you could just see where the final approach fix is from the runway on the chart and there is an altitude depicted of where you would cross the FAF on a proper ILS approach then just setup for an 800 fpm decent from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPA
However, if the crew got caught with their pants down and missed the NOTAMS where it stated the VASI & glideslope were out of service and were playing catchup during the approach (a possibility as it sounded like they were high on the approach to begin with) and didn't get the engines spooled up until too late then... there you go.
Weird to me that it shows the impact of the tail at the sea wall off to the right and not aligned with centerline at all - but the 777 is a long airplane and if there was a stiff crosswind from the southwest at the time that would put their tail over on that side of the centerline while crabbing their way in on the approach.
I'd like to know who was flying this approach - captain or co-pilot.
777 will land itself. Sounds like somebody screwed up.
If you've ever landed at SFO, it feels like you're always coming in short. Water...water....water...water....uh oh, are we landing in the bay?....water....RUNWAY!
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ing-crash?lite
The level of survivability was pretty amazing considering how wrong this went.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
Racial remark?
I'm surprised they don't have cameras at the end of the runways filming these landings and departures. I know some airports have a taxi surveillance system to prevent taxiing across an inbound aircraft...
Ya, trigger is really, really racist......Quote:
Originally Posted by DEAGLER
CNN has the worst video ever of the crash up
http://jalopnik.com/cnn-video-shows-...ium=socialflow
Sounds like the flying pilot screwed up. Got slow and low, corrected too late.
Scary shit.
Sure would have nice had he been using a little zoom while filming. Unfortunately, that video leaves much to be desired.Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Holy crap, at 26 seconds, the plane is flipped around backwards and lifts off the runway ass first, and then flops back down.... The fact that people survived that shit, is absolutely amazing.......Quote:
Originally Posted by cofi
Not with an ILS notamed out it won't. Not sure what the conditions were other than being windy ( it's always windy there ) but things get busy with simultaneous visuals occuring. SFO has a history of bringing you in high and hot, especially when visual. Not saying that had anything to do with it but trying to get that thing down if they were high and fast may of pulled their heads inside and decreased SA a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
I'm amazed it held together as well as it did and the amount if people who were relatively unhurt
I said to the wife when I heard about this "Asian drivers", she replied that the pilot must have slipped off the phone book.Quote:
Originally Posted by TriggerHappy
Before anyone jumps me on that she is Korean.
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Sounds like one of the girls killed was struck by ems :(
I heard that too, run over by a "piece of emergency equipment".