777 crashes at sfo

[sniper7]

Eye witness on the news described a high approach with a high rate of descent but an approach that would have put them Much to low at the end of the runway.

Sounds like they were high and got a steep angle to the runway which put them low without the engines spooled up and they ended up short with a high rate of descent and possibly stalling in the flare which could have hit the seawall or struck the tail on the runway.

[TriggerHappy]

Yea looks like pilot was way short

Asian airlines should have a "Height requirement" for pilots....

[spleify]

This is horrible

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Asian airlines should have a "Height requirement" for pilots....

[T-Jet]

Not looking good for the pilots here. Speculation on my part so stop reading now if you have a problem with speculation. Both the Glideslope and VASI were NOTAMed out of service. Combine that with an Asian carrier that rarely manually lands the plane by hand and I am going to say this one looks like pilot error. Basically, it is like trying to shoot an apple 200 yards out and looking through the scope but not having cross hairs at all.

Oh - I wouldn't say it's that hard. There are other methods of determining a proper glideslope even without the VASI or glideslope. The FMC can be programmed to show a fix at a predetermined distance from the runway, then you so simple 3:1 math to keep track of where you should be on a proper glideslope. Or you could just see where the final approach fix is from the runway on the chart and there is an altitude depicted of where you would cross the FAF on a proper ILS approach then just setup for an 800 fpm decent from there.
However, if the crew got caught with their pants down and missed the NOTAMS where it stated the VASI & glideslope were out of service and were playing catchup during the approach (a possibility as it sounded like they were high on the approach to begin with) and didn't get the engines spooled up until too late then... there you go.
Weird to me that it shows the impact of the tail at the sea wall off to the right and not aligned with centerline at all - but the 777 is a long airplane and if there was a stiff crosswind from the southwest at the time that would put their tail over on that side of the centerline while crabbing their way in on the approach.
I'd like to know who was flying this approach - captain or co-pilot.

[Gman]

777 will land itself. Sounds like somebody screwed up.

If you've ever landed at SFO, it feels like you're always coming in short. Water...water....water...water....uh oh, are we landing in the bay?....water....RUNWAY!

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ing-crash?lite

The level of survivability was pretty amazing considering how wrong this went.

[DEAGLER]

Asian airlines should have a "Height requirement" for pilots....

Racial remark?

[BushMasterBoy]

I'm surprised they don't have cameras at the end of the runways filming these landings and departures. I know some airports have a taxi surveillance system to prevent taxiing across an inbound aircraft...

[spyder]

Racial remark?

Ya, trigger is really, really racist......

[cofi]

CNN has the worst video ever of the crash up
http://jalopnik.com/cnn-video-shows-...ium=socialflow