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All those people are just being jerks. (Sarcasm)
Yep, but kinda funny. I thought a few would have got their asses kickedQuote:
Originally Posted by DavieD55
Yeah...they oughta go house to house! Knock on some doors...starting with Pueblo! If they don't find any illegal immigrants, I'll quit posting forever on here!
It is amazing but not a surprise as to how they try to intimidate motorists.
"Did I somehow stumble into Mexico?" LOL
Are you standing up for the illegals? I have no problem answering that I am an American. And any officer of the peace has the right to ask you for your name and and to provide identification. Seizures are a different matter. I drove truck for years and had to allow random inspections of my cargo. Especially when traveling in some areas. I especially would not piss someone off who has the ability to detain me or make my life harder than it has to be. Those people should have been detained for the attitude they took with officers. You can be held for 24 hours with out charges being pressed I do believe.
Seriously? I hope I am just missing the sarcasm in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc06lj
Some of those checkpoints are like 80 miles north of the border. If they actually worked for their intended purposes of stopping illegal imigration and drug smuggling but they dont. Meanwhile, hundreds of illegals just illegally crossed the border and are on thier way to get some taxpayer assistance to help get them established in the land of free healthcare, free housing, free food, free college, free Electronic Benefits Transfer money to go gamble and night club away, free drivers licenses so they can vote in the upcoming election cylce for you guessed it more free shit at the expense of those rich Americans.
Those checkpoints are not good for anything other than to condition people not to question authority.
What a F---ing joke!
Are you seriously fine with having cops stopping you for no reason at all so they can ask you for your papers like it's 1950's Soviet Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by kc06lj
Lots of people are. We are conditioned as a society to obey authorities without question from an early age, some people are happy to be sheep, and angered by those who question why.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImNtUrBuddyGuy
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Originally Posted by kc06lj
And any American has the right to refuse to answer.
The first guy in the video is the best, BTW. LOL!!
Get a class A cdl. They can and will stop you for any reason they feel like for as long as they feel like and they will make it as painful for you as possible if you don't immediately comply. I did my time in the service and we were still required to give name rank and serial number to our captors.
Oh Jeez. Here we go again.
I don't know much about CDL, but it didn't look to me like anyone on the film was driving commercially.
Blanket stopping people is a violation of due process, and lacks the reasonable suspicion or probable cause required to interrogate, interview, search or seize anything or anyone. It seems pretty clear to me.
Honestly, at one of these stops, I would probably tell them I am a US citizen to answer that question, but that would be it.
I really liked the guy at the end, asking the officer all of the questions he was about to ask. Funny.
I drive through these quite often. There is another one about 25mi outside of my town on the way to El Paso (which is, as I understand, the largest or one of the largest drug crossing points in the border). There is another one about 25mi outside my town on the way to Las Cruces - this one I pass through multiple times per week - because you can drive from El Paso to Las Cruces to my town.
Half the time, when you roll up and slow down, they look at you and send you on your way (profiling at its best). Other times, they ask if you are a US Citizen, and a simple "yes" will suffice. Other times, they ask you to state your citizenship, a simple "USA" gets you rolling. However, a lot of the time, they have the drug dogs out sniffing each car and those days suck. Because while the dog sniffs the car, the agent has to ask you random questions to hold you for about a minute so they can perform the full search.
Some of the agents are on a power trip and it shows. However, most of them are very polite and friendly.
When I flew down here for my interview where I work now, I landed in El Paso, rented a car and drove out. When I pulled up to the facility, they asked me my citizenship and then if I would roll down the rear window on the rental suv. I did, and they started sternly asking why the back seat seatbelts were buckled. I told them simply that I had no idea because I just rented the car a few minutes prior. They had me pull over for the second search. I started getting very snippy with them because they were extremely rude to me and this was my first encounter with one so I had no idea what was going on.
Now that I'm a regular traveller through them, I've learned that if you simply roll down all windows when you pull up, turn off the radio and keep both hands on the steering wheel, a majority of the time they just wave you through. Then again, it could be that I'm driving a Mini Cooper and from the drivers window they can see the entire contents of my vehicle. Sure, they're an inconvenience, especially on Fridays when everyone is going through them and when they have the drug dogs, but I'm of the mentality that its faster to just answer their question and be on your way than put up a fight.
That guy asking if he was being detained a million times over, yes, yes he was being detained because he was failing to answer their question. If he had simply stated his citizenship, which doesn't hurt anyone, he would have been on his way. And that is regardless of the debate about the legality of it and whether or not he was legally required to answer, he was being detained for failing to answer their question.
The point is that he shouldn't have been stoped and questioned to begin with. At what point do you draw that line in the sand and refuse to answer?Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Are you a US citizen?
Is this your car?
Do you haave permission to be driving it?
Where are you coming from?
Where are you headed?
How long are you planning on staying there?
What is your purpose for going there?
What is your profession?
How long have you done that profession?
Are there any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?
Has anyone else had access to the vehicle?
What is your relationship to the other person in the car?
Along with about a thousand other questions...
What about when they start asking your wife all the same questions that they just got done asking you?
What about when you have been sitting there for 45 minutes answering their endless list of questions?
I'm sorry...if you are not committing a crime then they have no reason to stop and question you about anything. AND you have no reason to have to answer any of these questions. This is out of line.
Understand..my father who is a Pastor and my mother had this happen to them when they headed out of Colorado to go perform a wedding.
I understand the logic that he shouldn't have been stopped to begin with.
From your logic in your last two sentences, here's a scenario (and yes, I realize there is always a what if to every situation) you head to the local park to walk your dog while open carrying. A police officer sees you and starts asking questions. You are not committing a crime, so from your logic, there is no reason to answer? Or is the problem just with DHS/BP questioning you?
And I would draw a line in the sand when they start putting these checkpoints in KS and other states no where near the border.
eta: I knew I'd receive flak for my first post. However, I am also not the type to open carry and be showy/belligerent with cops just because I have the right to open carry so I see no harm in answering the question where I currently live. If they start putting these checkpoints in CO and places further away from the border, yes, there will be things to be said.
Love this.
DHS does not have the right to do this.
They are detaining people without probable cause. DHS does not have reasonable suspicion, they are just harassing people.Quote:
Am I being detained?
Illegal search - violation of the 4th amendment.
Please help me out with the magical 'appropriate' distance required to where you would start not answering questions. I'm seriously not trying to be a smart-aleck, I just would like to know your opinion about where is the appropriate distance for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
For me, it's zero feet inside the American border. Unless you actually see me crossing the border illegally, leave me alone when I'm driving down the road.
This is just the beginning, DHS will find a reason to stop and search here in Denver.
It is the natural course of totalitarianism.
Using the logic that they have already applied, they could set up a checkpoint anywhere that there are illegal immigrants... so everywhere. My question is what are they going to do when an illegal immigrant just says "yes" to the are you a US citizen question? Are they going to say "I don't believe you" and pull them out of the car? What could they possibly gain from these checkpoints? Are there a lot of people that say no and admit that they are here illegally? The whole thing is stupid, but the good news is that this is being seen as a freedoms violation on all sides of the political spectrum and has become popular to challenge them. There have been a bunch of these videos on reddit as well as other social media sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
I don't get the border thing... They have scanners that check with x-rays or some shit like that for certain shaped containers, and cargo.... why not just put one up at the border to check for random people stuffed in odd spots? I also don't think that border crossings are the same as DUI check points. There is actually tons of shit that makes it across the border because the agents don't catch whoever for whatever reason (seen some of the shit that makes it here in person < they ended up getting caught with it all for other reasons though.....). If you come back from another country, I do believe you should get stopped, and checked. If you don't like it, fly there instead.
For those scared about illegal's, and check points, why are you thinking that there are going to be other check points elsewhere? If you remember, there is a final vote that we are waiting on that is supposed to make them "legal" now anyway..... See, if it passes, no worries. lol < sarcasm
When did it become belligerent to simply exercise your rights? I only watched the first few minutes of the video but didn't see anybody being belligerent, including the border patrol agents. If we don't demand that the .gov honor our rights they will just disappear like has happened with gun rights in the big cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
Yes, there are illegals everywhere due to lax border enforcement. The enemies of freedon plan for the long term, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided decades ago to use illegal immigration as a way to enable these checkpoints now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal
None of these gun control laws or "illegal alien checkpoints" or "DUI checkpoints" are intended for the good of the citizens, these laws and activities are intended to gain control of and sow distrust within the citizenry. DHS wants to cow Americans into thinking that the government is the only thing they can trust and they'll use your friends and neighbors to do it.
Thanks J for the informative post.Quote:
Originally Posted by J
Correct! 4th amendment violations all over the place!Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
Border patrol belongs at the border. If they are not in sight of the border, they are wrong.
DHS is just a front for the slide into totalitarianism.
Freedom of movement is a double-edged sword, the good is that the citizen is allowed ingress/egress to any state in the union, the bad is that the criminal element is allowed the same. The 'crats who run law enforcement in this country are too lazy to prosecute the criminal element so they tell their foot soldiers to harass the easy target, the law abiding citizen.
Federal law enforcement has utterly failed the citizen starting at the border. The federal government has utterly failed at one of the few tasks they are specifically charged with and that task is defending the borders. We have no country if we do not have borders or border control.
There are people who want to dissolve the borders and allow complete freedom of movement between Mexico and the United States. The confusion I have is that on one hand the federal government does not want to control the border and on the other hand they want to control the movements of citizens within the nation. The national policy is directed at law abiding citizens and not at the criminal element.
Your right, being a lemming is the quickest way and normally the path i go too. These people are just flexing their rights and that is great. The reason he is asking if he is being detained is because they can not detain him without probable cause. Not sure how true this is but a person that was in law school at the time told me there is a loose time limit, 5 minutes, on how long they can impend your travel without probably cause before you can bring legal action against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuffCyclist
I love these threads.....
Hypocrisy at it's finest.....
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I wonder if anybody anywhere wonders anything.... If anyone thought about,,,, why isn't the border shut down, why isn't there any better border security ???? Because if our American borders were secure "they" would not be able to have these lame DHS stop check points. "They" have to have a reason do be able to explain why there are illegal stops without due process. After all the lying that seems to be going on, does anyone wonder how many schemers work for "the man".......
My guess is it's a trick to get them to say '¿que?' [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by Danimal
Seriously though, good for these people who make their lives a little bit harder by not simply replying 'yes' to bring awareness to constitutional rights. Of course it's easier when you're within compliance to simply state said compliance and go about your day. Doing what's right is sometimes harder and time consuming.
And that right there folks is why Americans will slowly have their rights taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
Oh it requires effort? Nevermind. Pass the remote and let me know when my free Obamaphone gets here.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidicarus13
Ain't got no time fo dat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer
So if you are in a CCW holder and contacted in this manner do you have to show them your CCW (i.e. ID)? BTW Texas requires notification if contacted by LEO.
THey should put DHS at polling locations asking for IDs.lol
Are DHS goons LEOs?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperiorDG
Nope, can't do that. Might catch someone they don't want to catch.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokenscout
Exactly..Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS