DHS checkpoint refuals,lol

[TheBelly]

From your logic in your last two sentences, here's a scenario (and yes, I realize there is always a what if to every situation) you head to the local park to walk your dog while open carrying. A police officer sees you and starts asking questions. You are not committing a crime, so from your logic, there is no reason to answer? Or is the problem just with DHS/BP questioning you?


If they start putting these checkpoints in CO and places further away from the border, yes, there will be things to be said.

Please help me out with the magical 'appropriate' distance required to where you would start not answering questions. I'm seriously not trying to be a smart-aleck, I just would like to know your opinion about where is the appropriate distance for that.

For me, it's zero feet inside the American border. Unless you actually see me crossing the border illegally, leave me alone when I'm driving down the road.

[roberth]

This is just the beginning, DHS will find a reason to stop and search here in Denver.

It is the natural course of totalitarianism.

[Danimal]

This is just the beginning, DHS will find a reason to stop and search here in Denver.

It is the natural course of totalitarianism.

Using the logic that they have already applied, they could set up a checkpoint anywhere that there are illegal immigrants... so everywhere. My question is what are they going to do when an illegal immigrant just says "yes" to the are you a US citizen question? Are they going to say "I don't believe you" and pull them out of the car? What could they possibly gain from these checkpoints? Are there a lot of people that say no and admit that they are here illegally? The whole thing is stupid, but the good news is that this is being seen as a freedoms violation on all sides of the political spectrum and has become popular to challenge them. There have been a bunch of these videos on reddit as well as other social media sites.

[spyder]

I don't get the border thing... They have scanners that check with x-rays or some shit like that for certain shaped containers, and cargo.... why not just put one up at the border to check for random people stuffed in odd spots? I also don't think that border crossings are the same as DUI check points. There is actually tons of shit that makes it across the border because the agents don't catch whoever for whatever reason (seen some of the shit that makes it here in person < they ended up getting caught with it all for other reasons though.....). If you come back from another country, I do believe you should get stopped, and checked. If you don't like it, fly there instead.

For those scared about illegal's, and check points, why are you thinking that there are going to be other check points elsewhere? If you remember, there is a final vote that we are waiting on that is supposed to make them "legal" now anyway..... See, if it passes, no worries. lol < sarcasm

[sturn18]

However, I am also not the type to open carry and be showy/belligerent with cops just because I have the right to open carry so I see no harm in answering the question where I currently live.

When did it become belligerent to simply exercise your rights? I only watched the first few minutes of the video but didn't see anybody being belligerent, including the border patrol agents. If we don't demand that the .gov honor our rights they will just disappear like has happened with gun rights in the big cities.

[roberth]

Using the logic that they have already applied, they could set up a checkpoint anywhere that there are illegal immigrants... so everywhere. My question is what are they going to do when an illegal immigrant just says "yes" to the are you a US citizen question? Are they going to say "I don't believe you" and pull them out of the car? What could they possibly gain from these checkpoints? Are there a lot of people that say no and admit that they are here illegally? The whole thing is stupid, but the good news is that this is being seen as a freedoms violation on all sides of the political spectrum and has become popular to challenge them. There have been a bunch of these videos on reddit as well as other social media sites.

Yes, there are illegals everywhere due to lax border enforcement. The enemies of freedon plan for the long term, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided decades ago to use illegal immigration as a way to enable these checkpoints now.

None of these gun control laws or "illegal alien checkpoints" or "DUI checkpoints" are intended for the good of the citizens, these laws and activities are intended to gain control of and sow distrust within the citizenry. DHS wants to cow Americans into thinking that the government is the only thing they can trust and they'll use your friends and neighbors to do it.

[HoneyBadger]

Oh Jeez. Here we go again.

I don't know much about CDL, but it didn't look to me like anyone on the film was driving commercially.

Blanket stopping people is a violation of due process, and lacks the reasonable suspicion or probable cause required to interrogate, interview, search or seize anything or anyone. It seems pretty clear to me.

Honestly, at one of these stops, I would probably tell them I am a US citizen to answer that question, but that would be it.


I really liked the guy at the end, asking the officer all of the questions he was about to ask. Funny.

Thanks J for the informative post.

DHS does not have the right to do this.

They are detaining people without probable cause. DHS does not have reasonable suspicion, they are just harassing people.

Illegal search - violation of the 4th amendment.

Correct! 4th amendment violations all over the place!

Border patrol belongs at the border. If they are not in sight of the border, they are wrong.

DHS is just a front for the slide into totalitarianism.

[roberth]

Freedom of movement is a double-edged sword, the good is that the citizen is allowed ingress/egress to any state in the union, the bad is that the criminal element is allowed the same. The 'crats who run law enforcement in this country are too lazy to prosecute the criminal element so they tell their foot soldiers to harass the easy target, the law abiding citizen.

Federal law enforcement has utterly failed the citizen starting at the border. The federal government has utterly failed at one of the few tasks they are specifically charged with and that task is defending the borders. We have no country if we do not have borders or border control.

There are people who want to dissolve the borders and allow complete freedom of movement between Mexico and the United States. The confusion I have is that on one hand the federal government does not want to control the border and on the other hand they want to control the movements of citizens within the nation. The national policy is directed at law abiding citizens and not at the criminal element.

[Rabid]

I drive through these quite often. There is another one about 25mi outside of my town on the way to El Paso (which is, as I understand, the largest or one of the largest drug crossing points in the border). There is another one about 25mi outside my town on the way to Las Cruces - this one I pass through multiple times per week - because you can drive from El Paso to Las Cruces to my town.

Half the time, when you roll up and slow down, they look at you and send you on your way (profiling at its best). Other times, they ask if you are a US Citizen, and a simple "yes" will suffice. Other times, they ask you to state your citizenship, a simple "USA" gets you rolling. However, a lot of the time, they have the drug dogs out sniffing each car and those days suck. Because while the dog sniffs the car, the agent has to ask you random questions to hold you for about a minute so they can perform the full search.

Some of the agents are on a power trip and it shows. However, most of them are very polite and friendly.

When I flew down here for my interview where I work now, I landed in El Paso, rented a car and drove out. When I pulled up to the facility, they asked me my citizenship and then if I would roll down the rear window on the rental suv. I did, and they started sternly asking why the back seat seatbelts were buckled. I told them simply that I had no idea because I just rented the car a few minutes prior. They had me pull over for the second search. I started getting very snippy with them because they were extremely rude to me and this was my first encounter with one so I had no idea what was going on.

Now that I'm a regular traveller through them, I've learned that if you simply roll down all windows when you pull up, turn off the radio and keep both hands on the steering wheel, a majority of the time they just wave you through. Then again, it could be that I'm driving a Mini Cooper and from the drivers window they can see the entire contents of my vehicle. Sure, they're an inconvenience, especially on Fridays when everyone is going through them and when they have the drug dogs, but I'm of the mentality that its faster to just answer their question and be on your way than put up a fight.

That guy asking if he was being detained a million times over, yes, yes he was being detained because he was failing to answer their question. If he had simply stated his citizenship, which doesn't hurt anyone, he would have been on his way. And that is regardless of the debate about the legality of it and whether or not he was legally required to answer, he was being detained for failing to answer their question.

Your right, being a lemming is the quickest way and normally the path i go too. These people are just flexing their rights and that is great. The reason he is asking if he is being detained is because they can not detain him without probable cause. Not sure how true this is but a person that was in law school at the time told me there is a loose time limit, 5 minutes, on how long they can impend your travel without probably cause before you can bring legal action against them.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I love these threads.....


Hypocrisy at it's finest.....

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