How the anti gun sorts frame the message:
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How the anti gun sorts frame the message:
http://86262a2d5a8678610839-0d14e49e...de%20PDF-1.pdf
The leftists are masters at lying and propaganda. Goebbels didn't have a thing over the leftists of today.
Man, if I ever need jello nailed to a wall, I'm calling up the author of this treatise.
I love how they are for states' rights when it suits their desired outcome, for Federal intervention when that does.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
This is the truth. The pro-gun side attempts to use logic and statistics that support their argument. Unfortunately, logic and statistics don't appeal to emotion. But when you can say something like, "In most states there are no laws that require a background check or ID to privately buy an assault weapon with a 30 round clip," it appeals to emotion and sounds like there's a problem with the law that most reasonable people would want to correct.Quote:
2. It’s not helpful to try to drown your audience in a flurry of facts and statistics. It is far more effective to zero in on a handful of simple facts that are both compelling and memorable. (emphasis mine)
We need to take some lessons from these folks. Unfortunately, when the classroom is in the gutter, it makes it difficult to want to attend class.
40% of Americans haveThat shit is hard to read, I had to stop when I got ^ here.
themselves or personally
know someone who has been
a victim of gun violence.(3)
3. . Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research for the New Venture
Fund (Aug. 2011). Note this is not publicly available data. Or in other words, completely made up bullshit.
The list of footnotes is very interesting, nearly all anit-gun sources. Unlike Gunfacts.org, which is largely independent or government data. That said, I have been the victim of gun violence. I had a brand new CZ Military Trainer slip off of the rests at the range and scratch the stock up. Very tragic.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnhack
Wow! Don't ever let facts get in the way of producing propaganda!
#1: ALWAYS FOCUS ON EMOTIONAL AND VALUE-DRIVEN
ARGUMENTS ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE, NOT THE POLITICAL
FOOD FIGHT IN WASHINGTON OR WONKY STATISTICS.
Translation: Be emotional, use of facts and statistics is baad. [facepalm]
People who identify with that ideology are emotionally driven. [Dunno] They'd much rather feel good about a decision than let it be driven by logic. We all know folks like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
Yep. Most of the people like this are proud liberals/progressives. [Bang]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin13
2 more moving in to this state next week in the form of my inlaws. [facepalm][panic][Bang]
Believe me, gentlemen, I fought and fought and fought on this one.
Speaking of in-laws... You know what a mixed feeling is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Your mother-in-law driving off a cliff in your new Mercedes. [LOL][Mad]
"A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart MillQuote:
We should emphasize that one fundamental freedom every American should have is the freedom to be safe in our homes and neighborhoods – freedom to live our lives without the constant threat of gun violence hanging over our heads.
They clearly have no intention of debating or compromising or acknowledging when they are mistaken on a point of fact. They are unreasonable zealots 100% convinced that the ends justify the means, and their end goal is not only to ban private ownership of high capacity magazines, but to criminalize private ownership of handguns and outlaw concealed carry. They've been working towards that goal incrementally for a long time.
I'm not convinced they'd stop at ending handguns and concealed carry. I truly believe they want firearms of any kind out of bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clint45
And allegedly the annointed one is poised to sign the UN treaty as well.
Time to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee.
You cannot counter 'faith' with reason - for the 'progressive' religion, victim status is a virtue and individual responsibility (and rights) is blasphemy. We will also not be able to vote our way out of this; the 'Free Shit Army' (FSA) now constitutes the majority of the electorate - vote fraud is no longer required (though the collectivists just can't seem to stop that particular habit).
Carefully read the Declaration of Independence; it is surprisingly relevant to these times...
I wonder who will enforce the no fly zone to protect us
Yep, the left is winning because they have better PR then we do. They are masters of it.
Personally, I think it is time to go on the offensive. Logic and reason will not work with these people. They loose if decisions are based on facts and logic. This is why everything is a "feeling" with them.
I say, buy a copy of Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and use the same tactics against them. One of the primary weapons is ridicule. Another is make them live up to their own standards.
All these anti-gunners live in gated communities protected by security guards and have a very low police response time. What a bunch of wimps hiding in their protected enclaves. And they are also a bunch of hypocrites. Most of them are protected by armed security guards. Didn't Ghandi say "be the change you want to see in the world"? Well, if they want to live in a gun free world, they should live a gun free life shouldn't they?
It is time to get mean. The republican party is done for because they are too nice and don't fight back.
And this applies to many topics, not just guns.
My rant for the afternoon.
There's a monologue from Alfonzo Rachel in one of his videos where he discusses this. I understand your frustration, but to paraphrase Zo and his point (which has inspired me to try and be better about this, despite my past feelings on addressing this debate), it is far better to attack your enemy from an elevated position. Sure we could stoop to their level and sling mud like they do, but they're far more experienced in this type of fighting that we are- they've been doing it a lot longer. Their dirty tactics can be equated to what happened with the insurgency in Iraq- they fight outside the limits of the formal rules of war and Geneva Conventions, they fight dirty, they fight ugly, and that's not what we are, we're better than that. So it may seem like a good idea to fight dirty like they do, but in the end we only sell ourselves out, and take away what it means to be conservative. The whole thing boils down to conservative vs liberal- by definition. If we stop being conservative we become that which we fight against... and thus we lose either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ringhilt
"Do you still beat your wife?"
Debates are often won or lost in how the discussion is framed... Of course that's assuming the other party is interested in having an honest debate. Most liberals aren't.