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I'm looking into the AR7 vs. the 10/22 Takedown for compact survival .22LR rifles.
Seems the AR7 is quite a bit cheaper while have a checkered history for reliability.
10/22 has reliability on its side, common mags with other 10/22's, takes a bit more space.
Any thoughts on these, or other similar .22LR rifles?
the ruger doesnt hold zero with optics and is relatively heavy and bulky but you could press it into fighting if you needed
The ar7 like you said spotty.
Why do you NEED a semi auto?
Why do you need a rifle?
What situations are you surviving thru?
Various answers;
The generic answer is some flavor of the m6 scout rifle; 22lr/mag/hornet over 410, ridiculously expensive for what it is, last I checked you couldn't find one for less than $600
Savage makes over unders in the 24 series, the J model is 22lr over 20 ga. Overpriced and HEAVY
A ruger 22/45 lite with/without optics is damned light and small.
The cricket series are inexpensive and highly packable, but single shot 22lr
The fighting AR with a drop in bolt could be used
Also forgot the papoose by marlin.
You can get as creative as you want
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-fishing-pole/
What is your requirement for a rifle to be a "survival rifle?" Sounds like the ability to break down and reassemble easily is what you are after.
Kind of depends what you want to do with it. The 10/22 is not "backpack" light. There are several other options out there including a few that are under 1 pound. The Ruta Locura is based on a Crickett and The Pack Rifle are both single shot sub 1 pound. The Kel-Tec SU22 is folding and 4 pounds. Also, if you pick your parts carefully, you can get a match grade AR-22 in the 3-4 pounds range as well.
Thanks for the input.
What I'm looking into is something that might be good for small game, and for last ditch defense purposes. Also, I'm looking for it to be light, easily carried and inconspicuous.
In retrospect, it sounds like a reasonable quality .22 handgun might work just as well?
Probably. Maybe even look at one of the .22Mag handguns.
I don't think of it as a survival rifle, but my Kel Tec Sub2000 chambered in .40 S&W will accept mags straight from my Glock 22. The barrel on the carbine gives me an extra 200 ft per second and with a little practice and some holdover it will hit man sized silhouettes easily at 150 yards.
Personally, I don't think there is anything more versatile then a 12 gage shotgun. Easy to swap barrels and the variety of types of ammunition that can be used is better than you will find in almost anything out there. Put a pistol grip on it if you want it short, but I like having a stock on mine.
.22lr firearms are great for small game and if cost is an issue, you probably won't find anything cheaper and more accurate straight out of the box than a Marlin 795 or 60.
Don't just settle on one, get them all and then you have choices. Choices are good.
hmmmm......ummmm.....just say'in: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/117875-...am-w-TRS25-425
I have a Marlin Papoose...it would keep me in small game, large game with a head shot and I bet I could shoot a fish with it too! I managed to get a 25 round mag too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Model_70P
I thought those AR7's were pretty neat until I spent some time with one in-person rather than just pictures I'd seen. It'd be overpriced at $50.
I've always preferred my Marlin 60 over the Ruger 10/22. Don't get me wrong, I like the 10/22.
It's a little pricy, but the most accurate 22 I own is a CZ 452 Scout. It's the youth model I bought for my son and is ridiculously accurate. I would take that over any other I've shot or own.
If you are a lefty, forget the AR-7, the way the receiver assembles to the stock is offset to the right. This makes for a cumbersome grip for the left handed.
How about a Single six?
Shorter... lighter ...I can hit a 16" steel target off hand at 100 yards with my 6.5" pistol. And you can put it in a holster.
Thinking outside he box. PLUS you don't have to ask the game or the bad guy to wait a second while you assemble the damn thing.
I like the AR-7 if your purpose is a lightweight compact rifle to harvest small game with a .22 LR. Mine is accurate and lightweight even with 5 spare magazines (2 of them 15 rounders).
For self-defense as well as hunting slightly larger animals (e.g., coyotes), I like the Beretta CX-4 Storm. It takes the same magazines as my M9/92fs, is lightweight and easy to handle and has a rail for optics if desired. If I had to live with just one, this would probably be it.
Thanks for all the suggestions. I learned quite a bit just by having to look all of those up.
I may end up with another .22 handgun after all, but will be looking at all the options the next time I had to a funshop.
Rossi model 62 pump, copy of the early Winchesters. I've owned a couple. They break down pretty small, accurate enough out to 100 yards or so, and will feed pretty much anything in .22 short, long, or long rifle(unlike most autos).
What about something like a Thompson Contender or some other "pistol" with approx a 10" barrel?
If you're going that long see my previous post. .38/.357 or 44 in a small multi shot package.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Get a break-action shotgun and drop some $ on this . Cool concept, only 300 or so have been sold and who knows if they're any good.
I have an AR-7, but i really prefer my AR15 running the 22 conversion bolt. The bolt runs a little less than you'll pay for a full rifle.
The concept has some promise. My only concern would be being able to shoot any of the pistol/rifle calibers accurately enough to get any real use out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waywardson174
This is the problem, no zeroingQuote:
Originally Posted by ray1970
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=2
matched set
Here's an article I saved for a DIY option for a packable 10/22: Link
Advantages over the new "Takedown" model:
1. It will hold zero with optics
2. Cheaper.
This is definitely an interesting idea. After seeing this I am thinking about picking up an inexpensive 10/22: http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod40781.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by zip
Ya know, that basically accomplishes the same idea and takes all of 30 more seconds to assemble. Thanks for passing that on!Quote:
Originally Posted by zip
There also is a side folding 10/22 stock in the discounted bin at a local funshop...
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Originally Posted by cstone
For all that why not buy the ruger charger. 8-10"bbl'd 10/22 pistolQuote:
Originally Posted by anaphylaxis
I haven't seen a Charger for sale under $300 in quite some time. In fact, I haven't seen any Chargers for sale at all recently.They are definitely some great little varmint pistols.
****CAUTION***** Altering a rifle to an overall length less than 26 inches makes it a "short rifle" under Colorado C.R.S and makes you in possesion of a dangerous weapon under C.R.S 18-12-102 and is a Class 5 Felony
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Originally Posted by zip
The rifle is 24" in that article, only when it is down.
I got one of these for my son, the "Trifecta Youth". .243, .22 and 20 gauge. It's a neat little set-up. One or two of the barrels would be real easy to carry. It has a nylon case that works well for tossing the whole set-up in the Jeep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wulf202
What about a Kel-Tec SU-16b? 5.56 and accepts PMAGS!
I've been waiting for a su-16c for a similar purposeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bitter Clinger
How are they on price? I mean I've heard the Papoose is amazing. But if it's that much more expensive why not just go with a Marlin model 60?Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Model 60 isn't a take down type rifle.
I know that, I mean more just carry it with you if take down doesn't matter as much to you. I've heard that the 60 is accurate, but I've heard that some take down models aren't as accurate or have problems with sights.