How will the new laws affect this?

So here is the situation.

I have an older Browning BAR .270 (When they were made in Belgium) that was gifted to me by my grandad. He said at the time that it just didn't feed right for him. Being a lefty I never shot it much. But once I did,it would fail to eject a casing all the way about every 3 shot and the bolt would lock up on it. This was after a box and a half of factory shells through it. I had a family friend who worked as a gunsmith for 20 years pull it apart and do some bolt work and it seemed good for a box. Now its to the point it either doesn't pull the spent casing out or when the bolt closes it doesn't lock all the way.

So that puts me to now where I want to take it to a Browning Certified Service location here in state to have it fixed up, a non-reliable rifle is worthless. But it has never been registered to me and correct me if I am wrong I would need to transfer it to the shop and then have it transferred back to me? If this is true how does the fact I have no bill of sale and nothing else to show that I am the lawful owner?

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No problemo, worst case you have to fill out a 4473 when you pick it up from being serviced. Nothing in the law is retroactive and contrary to popular belief there is no "registry" nation wide. Basically, the same as if you had bought it private party prior to July 1 2013, no paper trail on it. As long as it doesn't come up as stolen previously, there's no issue.

EDIT: to clarify, there is no registry in CO either.

Jim will be along shortly to explain to you that you don't need any documents to indicate ownership.

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Thanks for the replies. Just a thought as I was sitting here thinking about the ole vet grandad of mine and things he passed a long to me.

There is no registration and you can still transfer firearms as a "gift" between immediate family members.

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Jim will be along shortly to explain to you that you don't need any documents to indicate ownership.

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One of the most asked questions and yet one of the most misunderstood. THERE IS NO GUN REGISTRATION IN CO. Not yet anyway. Unless you have a NFA item. That's federal.
Now CBI checks i'm sure one or two members have that info. [Beer]

There is also no transfer paperwork/background check required for repair services. This scenario is listed as an exemption to HB 13-1229.
Find a repair facility and work out the shipping with them. No problem.

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Originally Posted by davsel

There is also no transfer paperwork/background check required for repair services. This scenario is listed as an exemption to HB 13-1229.
Find a repair facility and work out the shipping with them. No problem.

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At one time, I believe it was a FEDERAL requirement that if a firearm were left overnight at a gunsmith facility, the firearm had to be logged into the gunsmith/FFL bound book. This applied if it was left overnight due to not being able to be repaired on the spot (same day as brought in)? If it WAS logged in, the form 4473 had to be executed. This was the way it worked at one time. Someone with knowledge about the current FEDERAL requirements should be jumping in here soon.

Edit to add: The HB 13-1229 exempts from the background check requirement transfers:
"6. made to facilitate the repair of a firearm as long as all parties possessing the firearm may do so legally";

I kinda doubt if this would make it unnecessary to complete the form 4473 when the firearm is picked back up after completion of the repairs. Would seem that anytime a 4473 is filled out, a BG check has to be made to show an OK was given by CBI. Maybe I am totally wrong on this.

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At one time, I believe it was a Federal requirement that if a firearm were left overnight at a gunsmith facility, the firearm had to be logged into the gunsmith/FFL bound book. This applied if it was left overnight due to not being able to be repaired on the spot (same day as brought in)? If it WAS logged in, the form 4473 had to be executed. This was the way it worked at one time. Someone with knowledge about the current FEDERAL requirements should be jumping in here soon.

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I remember the need for paperwork to be filled out when picking up a firearm. I also remember when a CCW would allow you to bypass a BG check, outside of filling in the 4473.

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I also remember when a CCW would allow you to bypass a BG check, outside of filling in the 4473.

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That has never been authorized by the great State of Colorado - has it? Would sure be nice if it would work that way NOW.

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Originally Posted by BlasterBob

At one time, I believe it was a FEDERAL requirement that if a firearm were left overnight at a gunsmith facility, the firearm had to be logged into the gunsmith/FFL bound book. This applied if it was left overnight due to not being able to be repaired on the spot (same day as brought in)? If it WAS logged in, the form 4473 had to be executed. This was the way it worked at one time. Someone with knowledge about the current FEDERAL requirements should be jumping in here soon.

Edit to add: The HB 13-1229 exempts from the background check requirement transfers:
"6. made to facilitate the repair of a firearm as long as all parties possessing the firearm may do so legally";

I kinda doubt if this would make it unnecessary to complete the form 4473 when the firearm is picked back up after completion of the repairs. Would seem that anytime a 4473 is filled out, a BG check has to be made to show an OK was given by CBI. Maybe I am totally wrong on this.

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For "Repair/Gunsmithing" purposes:
A firearm must be logged into the A/D book if the repair encompasses more than one business day. If the firearm is picked up by the same party that dropped it off for repair/gunsmithing services then no BGC is required.

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That has never been authorized by the great State of Colorado - has it? Would sure be nice if it would work that way NOW.

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Yes and it was a topic of "discussion" here some time ago. Didn't stay long, after columbine.. That Old Timers creeping up on ya, bob?

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

For "Repair/Gunsmithing" purposes:
A firearm must be logged into the A/D book if the repair encompasses more than one business day. If the firearm is picked up by the same party that dropped it off for repair/gunsmithing services then no BGC is required.

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Wonder how much of a problem it would be if the husband drops the firearm off for repairs and a few days later, when the repairs are completed, the wife goes in to retrieve it since the husband is out of town for an extended period of time - and she wants it back for home protection. Also, guess I was wrong then, that anytime a 4473 is filled out, there no longer has to be an authorization number or something shown on the form that a call was made to CBI. Tough to keep up with all these B.S. requirements.

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Yes and it was a topic of "discussion" here some time ago. Didn't stay long, after columbine.. That Old Timers creeping up on ya, bob?

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No but I do occasionally have an attack of Some Timers.[LOL]

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Wonder how much of a problem it would be if the husband drops the firearm off for repairs and a few days later, when the repairs are completed, the wife goes in to retrieve it since the husband is out of town for an extended period of time - and she wants it back for home protection. Also, guess I was wrong then, that anytime a 4473 is filled out, there no longer has to be an authorization number or something shown on the form that a call was made to CBI. Tough to keep up with all these B.S. requirements.

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person who dropped it off, must pick it up. It was logged in said person's name. That person is responsible for retrieving it.

Take it to Todd Lockburner on Brown Road off of Walker road. He is a Browning guy from way back and a good dude.

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person who dropped it off, must pick it up. It was logged in said person's name. That person is responsible for retrieving it.

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One of these days, someone is going to suggest a joint ownership (if the firearms owners so desire) and that fact to be shown on the 4473 to help solve the problem with the SAME person situation as mentioned above. May not be very practical but is possible and would cause more work for the poor already overworked CBI folks. [Sarcasm2]
Dual ownership would require both applicants to answer each section of the 4473. What a mess that could make... [panic]

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Originally Posted by BlasterBob

One of these days, someone is going to suggest a joint ownership (if the firearms owners so desire) and that fact to be shown on the 4473 to help solve the problem with the SAME person situation as mentioned above. May not be very practical but is possible and would cause more work for the poor already overworked CBI folks. [Sarcasm2]
Dual ownership would require both applicants to answer each section of the 4473. What a mess that could make... [panic]

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Separate 4473's, Or bring a copy of your trust to your favorite smith.

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Originally Posted by trot

A dealer needs to log it if it is overnight for smith work. However, there is no 4473 for the customer to pick it up for smith work (even if smith has it for 2 months so long as picked up by same person)

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I thought sure that once a firearm was logged in the bound book, it was logged out only when accompanied by a fully filled out 4473. Guess I'm wrong again.

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Originally Posted by trot

A dealer needs to log it if it is overnight for smith work. However, there is no 4473 for the customer to pick it up for smith work (even if smith has it for 2 months so long as picked up by same person)

There IS a 4473 if a customer drops off a gun for consignment or pawn and later picks it up.

There is no CCW exemption in colorado. The fields exist in the 4473, but we can't use them. Primarily, to my understanding, because our permits are issued by local sheriffs and not the state.

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The exemption was closed after Columbine. The CO CCW while issues by the individual county sheriffs, IS a state wide permit. If it was not considered State issued, there would be no reciprocity. When the CCW exemption was allowed CCW was issued on a limited basis, by CCW friendly CLEO'S

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Originally Posted by trot

A dealer needs to log it if it is overnight for smith work. However, there is no 4473 for the customer to pick it up for smith work (even if smith has it for 2 months so long as picked up by same person)

There IS a 4473 if a customer drops off a gun for consignment or pawn and later picks it up.

There is no CCW exemption in colorado. The fields exist in the 4473, but we can't use them. Primarily, to my understanding, because our permits are issued by local sheriffs and not the state.

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my understanding of why CCW can't be used is because each sheriff has different rules, that is what CBI told me.

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my understanding of why CCW can't be used is because each sheriff has different rules, that is what CBI told me.

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Calling BS. The application for CCW says the same thing state wide. See my other post why it's no longer done. I put the blame on the R's as much as D's for that gem. No one had the balls after Columbine (save a few, Like Bob Schaffer) to stand up to the anti -gunners. Which was one reason STATEWIDE CCW was defeated that year.

Bottom line why the exemption is not in place, POLITICS.

Here's the header

Jeffco

COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO
CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT APPLICATION

This is jeffco's "supplemental" form
OPTIONAL SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTIONS TO IMPLEMENT FEDERAL LAW

Denver
COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO

CONCEALED HANDGUN
PERMIT APPLICATION

Boulder
COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO

CONCEALED HANDGUN
PERMIT APPLICATION

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Calling BS. The application for CCW says the same thing state wide. See my other post why it's no longer done. I put the blame on the R's as much as D's for that gem. No one had the balls after Columbine (save a few, Like Bob Schaffer) to stand up to the anti -gunners. Which was one reason STATEWIDE CCW was defeated that year.

Bottom line why the exemption is not in place, POLITICS.

Here's the header

Jeffco

COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO
CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT APPLICATION

This is jeffco's "supplemental" form
OPTIONAL SUPPLEMENTARY QUESTIONS TO IMPLEMENT FEDERAL LAW

Denver
COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO

CONCEALED HANDGUN
PERMIT APPLICATION

Boulder
COUNTY SHERIFFS OF COLORADO

CONCEALED HANDGUN
PERMIT APPLICATION

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I have to agree with you! I'm just repeating what CBI told me. In addition, if it were allowed (xfer using your CCW) then CBI wouldn't get their $10.00

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I have to agree with you! I'm just repeating what CBI told me. In addition, if it were allowed (xfer using your CCW) then CBI wouldn't get their $10.00

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Politics and economics. Another reason when getting a ticket they say. You know if you plead guilty it's 2 points and $200 versus the $3-400 for the 20 over citation.

all I have to say to politicians is "get a job"

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Take it to Todd Lockburner on Brown Road off of Walker road. He is a Browning guy from way back and a good dude.

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Does he have a shop or contact info on here?

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Bottom line why the exemption is not in place, POLITICS.

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Colorado CCW is not NICS-exempt because the Colorado issuing system is not "Brady Compliant".

Means a central repository, basically, not a per-county repository, even if the requirements are now uniform across the state. To check a permit's validity, one must contact the individual sheriff's depts which issued them, not a central state clearinghouse. Might be some other "NICS-qualified" stuff I don't know about, too, in order for it to qualify, but until/unless CO CCW meets NICS-qualified parameters, CO CCW is not valid to bypass NICS checks.

Under interim-brady, until 1998, Colorado's by-county system did meet interim-brady exemption qualifications, and we could buy on the permit without background checks from 94 or whatever until some time in 98.