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Wow. A headline that makes sense.
Play stupid games........
reports said he wanted to commit suicide.
But he didn't win his prize yet (suicide attempt).Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
And its actually not misleading at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
[Eek1]
Where is the outcry for eliminating matches or lighters?
We need to put an end to this!
Someone get ahold of Bloomberg.
There is seriously something wrong with kids these days.
I think this is becoming a new way for teens and young adults to become famous. It is like they are starved for attention.
Between dr's prescriptions and people having children at an older age children are not like they were years ago.
At least the media didn't report he had an assault lighter.
Kids are crazy these days. I don't understand it.
Upbringing.
Damn. If that's not a cry out for help, I don't know what is.
Like kids in the past never committed suicide. Sometimes even publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_L
Typically immolation is the ultimate state of protest.
Wonder what he was protesting?
Over cooked food served in the cafeteria?Quote:
Originally Posted by BPTactical
Too soon?
I wish we could stop treating young adults like they were children. Teenagers are a product of the 20th century and a progressive notion that 13 year olds are not capable of adult responsibilities. There are plenty of 30 year olds who aren't capable of adult responsibilities. Expect the most from people and many of them will meet or exceed your expectations. This can be positive or negative.
I'm curious, why do you think that is a problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Interesting point. I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstone
Jeez, hope he gets help. I must say, I'm thankful he didn't try "Suicide by School Shooting."
I grew up with mine we crashed bycycles, shot guns, crashed dirt bikes, fished, had dirt clod fights, built forts, played football, etc,etc,etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
They had chores, they got spanked, they ate what we ate, they were taught respect, they earned their $$, they bought their own cars.
I now have a fantastic grandkid because of my kids "upbrining"
Today you have day care, sitters, nannies, expect the school to raise them, give em $$$, all this in place of being a parent. They don't have time for them now and didn't want to "risk" a carreer by having them when they were younger. So they are so out of touch with them they aren't even in the same world.
Have a friend that had them later in life, they are the most fuked up kids you ever met. He got in a fist fight with one the other night.
Wow, if he thought life was bad enough to end it already, he's gonna love a few month stay in the burn unit.
I still don't see where age has Anything to do with that. I do all those things with my kids and I'm an old fart?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Age has nothing to do with it, there are just as many screwed up young parents as older ones. Bad parenting is bad parenting, there is no age requirement.
Maybe you are an exception, or ???
I see this all the time, go to the store you see people that look like grandparents but are the parent, and their kids are outa control.
What in the world is going on with our high schools?
I mean, thank god he didn't use a gun in the cafeteria, but I would think (in my completely armchair-psychologist opinion) that there were signs leading up to his point. I can't imagine that someone starts off thinking about committing suicide with fire.
And I see just as many baby momma's with their kids out of control. Again, bad parents are bad parents. 15 or 50 doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Don't even get me started with the single moms and their little paychecks in tow.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Kids are outta control everywhere... When my 4 are in public, they are walking in formation behind us, and if they even think about touching something that I do not tell them to touch, or acting up, or even speak when not spoken to, there is consequenses they will not like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
I also believe kids are not allowed to work out frustrations or deal with bullies/frustrations like we could when I was a kid. Schoolyard justice is met with harsh penalties. So kids can't work out the issues themselves. It stews until it gets to an extreme.
Agreed, it has not a damn thing to do with age. It's the shitty progressive culture that society is moving towards, where parents are not accountable, and instead of disciplining their out of control children, they blame it on a "diagnosis" or some other issue they don't have to be responsible for.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtnrider
Parents act more like friends instead of a parent.Quote:
Originally Posted by hurley842002
I believe my job is to give my children the skills to succeed in life. Not to please them or shelter them from disappointment. Life is disappointing at times, and if they make bad decisions, they receive bad consequences.
You've hit it on the head!Quote:
Originally Posted by rbeau30
And just how to discipline?
You can't spank today because if your kid reports you you go to jail, or they get taken away.
And yes alot of older parents rely on the school system for the raising of their kids. Which is a huge mistake. And then The dr's give out drugs like rewards.( he/she needs this)
Fighting and taking care of bullies was part of growing up. (NO NO NO Mo.)
The shitty younger parents you see are a product of thier own shitty parents.
The list can go on and on. I am glad I had mine way back when I was young.
You're putting way too much weight on the age of the parents as to how a child is raised.
My parents had me old. I turned out ok. My kids are awesome. I got 3 and everyone always comments about how well behaved they all are.
I feel for kids these days. I see tons of horrible parenting especially in parking lots. A few times I've had to chase down someone else's kid.
On topic: if the kid thought life was rough, try living life with burn scars looking like melted plastic. Sad story.
If you're really lumping all older parents together and assuming they are all the same simply because they are older, you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Certainly wouldn't be the first method I'd try.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrey
From a comment on KDVR's article:
"Prayers for all impacted :( My son was there and said it all happened so fast. The boy is a friend….And had a lot of issues. Thank you to the cafeteria workers who acted quickly and bravely-"
It seems to be what a lot of people say AFTER things happen.
I worked with a lady that did it. She locked herself in her car, doused herself in gasoline and lit up. She left behind two little kids. This was a couple of days after being fired. The manager that fired her was shook up to say the least.
We could study this ad nauseam and never understand the actions of this young man. But also never find the solution to the problem. Opinions aside, lots of kids these days are fighting a battle we as parents cannot understand nor avoid. As a father I wish I could fight this fight for my sons, but I'm stuck watching them struggle. All I can do is provide all the support I possible and pray they accept it.
I discipline by following through. When I say they will loose thier XBOX if they do something I am fully prepared to literally unplug it an take it to the used game store. I do not make empty threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtn.man
Also both of the parents in my household are on the same page. We both have the same answer/consequense/rules/etc, and we call each other out on it. There is PLENTY of things to do other than corporal punishment. This goes back to my other post. I am not their friend, I am here to do my best to teach them how to get through life on their own and give them the best chances in life based on my experience. And I frequently remind them of this. I am their best ally, but I will not bend the rules of life to spare them from some hardship just like what would happen in the real world. I discuss this with them every time "the hammer falls".
I think there is a multitude of things including the fact that we are in a mass media age where very powerful people can pick and choose what we see on a daily basis in the news. If someone wants us to think "well hey there is a lot of kids out there doing bad things, I wonder why" then it is very easy to do so. When in fact these things happen at a small rate normally.
I also think that kids feel like they have no other way out. Anyone with a teenager knows how emotional they can be. If you shelter a kid from life and life choices and the consequences because you are acting like a tent and protecting them from the rain, you are doing nothing but setting them up for failure. When they suddenly start feeling the sting of the real world where you can no longer control every aspect of their life, they don't know how to handle it.
As sad as this story is, at least he had the decency to not try to take others with him like so many mass shooters do.
Not exactly, but he did scar everyone that he made a witness to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Sometimes people break. That's been a problem as long as there have been people. You can't legislate that away. Ever.
Pretty bad. Prayers on the way for him and his family.