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10-16-2014, 10:28
GilpinGuy

It wasn't me

I got this email a half hour ago from my kids school:

Parents,
A parent with a concealed weapon permit brought the weapon into the school building this morning, October 16, 2014just prior to 8 a.m. Gilpin County Sheriff Deputy Lee Ramsey immediately contacted the parent and confiscated the pistol. Deputy Ramsey arrested the parent and the parent is in custody at the Gilpin County Jail. Criminal charges are pending.

Other parents in the building at the time reported to administrators and Deputy Ramsey that a weapon was in the building. Deputy Ramsey took immediate action to safeguard all students.

All students and staff are safe and school was not disrupted and continues as normally scheduled.

David MacKenzie
10-16-2014, 10:36
HoneyBadger

"All the students are safe"

Not anymore... it's a gun free zone![facepalm]
10-16-2014, 10:37
thvigil11

This is why I keister carry. Nobodys looking up there.
10-16-2014, 10:40
roberth

How in the heck did they find that out?
10-16-2014, 10:47
Great-Kazoo

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Originally Posted by thvigil11

This is why I keister carry. Nobodys looking up there.

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Originally Posted by roberth

How in the heck did they find that out?

Free health clinic ?
10-16-2014, 11:01
MED

I guess this is a good time to review: I can drop off my kid at school because...

18-12-105.5. Unlawfully carrying a weapon - unlawful possession of weapons - school, college, or university grounds

(1) A person commits a class 6 felony if such person knowingly and unlawfully and without legal authority carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a deadly weapon as defined in section 18-1-901 (3) (e) in or on the real estate and all improvements erected thereon of any public or private elementary, middle, junior high, high, or vocational school or any public or private college, university, or seminary, except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class, for the purpose of carrying out the necessary duties and functions of an employee of an educational institution that require the use of a deadly weapon, or for the purpose of participation in an authorized extracurricular activity or on an athletic team.

(3) It shall not be an offense under this section if:

(a) The weapon is unloaded and remains inside a motor vehicle while upon the real estate of any public or private college, university, or seminary; or (...but I can't exit my vehicle with my weapon stashed unloaded in the vehicle because elementary, middle, and high are not listed)

(c) The person is in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance and is carrying a weapon for lawful protection of that person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

18-12-105.6. Limitation on local ordinances regarding firearms in private vehicles.

(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:

(a) A person carrying a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property, as permitted in sections 18-12-105 (2) (b) and 18-12-105.5 (3) (c), may tend to travel within a county, city and county, or municipal jurisdiction or in or through different county, city and county, and municipal jurisdictions, en route to the person's destination;
10-16-2014, 11:08
Baetis

I thought CCP trumped the unloaded in the motor vehicle part. That sucks! So anytime I pick my son up, on my way home from work, I have to sit there and unload. What a PITA!
10-16-2014, 11:15
newracer

You do not have to unload.
10-16-2014, 11:20
MED

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baetis

I thought CCP trumped the unloaded in the motor vehicle part. That sucks! So anytime I pick my son up, on my way home from work, I have to sit there and unload. What a PITA!

No, I believe it is saying that you need to remain in your vehicle. From what I gather, you can't leave the vehicle even if the firearms are unloaded unless it is on a college, university, or seminary campus because primary and secondary are not included in the exceptions.
10-16-2014, 11:26
Irving

That guy should carry better. Hope no charges.
10-16-2014, 11:32
KestrelBike

Glad they got that mouth-foaming violent criminal off the streets? Imagine the response if he had been packing a PB&J.
10-16-2014, 11:36
BigBear

*sinister evil laugh* .... If they only knew... I am a teacher and a CCP holder.... *snicker, snicker*.

Free PSA: Concealed means concealed. Don't touch or adjust it in public, don't wear tight clothing, etc... common sense is not so common.
10-16-2014, 11:47
Dave_L

I hope they follow the same process they did here:

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/ny-ant...unity-service/
10-16-2014, 11:51
Rooskibar03

I always think about this sitting in the car outside kids school. I park on the street and stay out of the lot but still always in the back of mind.
10-16-2014, 11:56
newracer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baetis

I thought CCP trumped the unloaded in the motor vehicle part. That sucks! So anytime I pick my son up, on my way home from work, I have to sit there and unload. What a PITA!

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Originally Posted by MED

No, I believe it is saying that you need to remain in your vehicle. From what I gather, you can't leave the vehicle even if the firearms are unloaded unless it is on a college, university, or seminary campus because primary and secondary are not included in the exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

I always think about this sitting in the car outside kids school. I park on the street and stay out of the lot but still always in the back of mind.

See the sections in bold.

18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions

(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.

(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.

(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:

(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;

(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district or charter school as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;

(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.

(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.
10-16-2014, 11:56
HoneyBadger

How did they discover it? Metal detectors? Did he whip it out in front of the kids??
10-16-2014, 11:59
Irving

If you are a licensed armed guard, can you legally carry on school grounds? Not like just hanging out at a school, but to drop off/pick up your kids?
10-16-2014, 12:03
MED

Quote:

Originally Posted by newracer

See the sections in bold.

18-12-214. Authority granted by permit - carrying restrictions

(1) (a) A permit to carry a concealed handgun authorizes the permittee to carry a concealed handgun in all areas of the state, except as specifically limited in this section. A permit does not authorize the permittee to use a handgun in a manner that would violate a provision of state law. A local government does not have authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance or resolution that would conflict with any provision of this part 2.

(b) A peace officer may temporarily disarm a permittee, incident to a lawful stop of the permittee. The peace officer shall return the handgun to the permittee prior to discharging the permittee from the scene.

(2) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.

(3) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvements erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school; except that:

(a) A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked;

(b) A permittee who is employed or retained by contract by a school district or charter school as a school security officer may carry a concealed handgun onto the real property, or into any improvement erected thereon, of a public elementary, middle, junior high, or high school while the permittee is on duty;

(c) A permittee may carry a concealed handgun on undeveloped real property owned by a school district that is used for hunting or other shooting sports.

(4) A permit issued pursuant to this part 2 does not authorize a person to carry a concealed handgun into a public building at which:

(a) Security personnel and electronic weapons screening devices are permanently in place at each entrance to the building;

(b) Security personnel electronically screen each person who enters the building to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon of any kind; and

(c) Security personnel require each person who is carrying a weapon of any kind to leave the weapon in possession of security personnel while the person is in the building.

(5) Nothing in this part 2 shall be construed to limit, restrict, or prohibit in any manner the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer, or private business entity.

(6) The provisions of this section apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.

This is really good to know...it doesn't help me though because I generally have more then my carry handgun in my car.
10-16-2014, 12:09
Irving

As long as you are not leaving the car, I don't see an issue. Perhaps I'm wrong?
10-16-2014, 12:16
68Charger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

As long as you are not leaving the car, I don't see an issue. Perhaps I'm wrong?

That is my understanding... but I carry in my kids' school all the time, so what do I know?
10-16-2014, 12:33
KS63

Good post Newracer. This comes up often and many people are unsure if the Law in this regard. It should be Stickied for future reference.
10-16-2014, 12:34
GilpinGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

How did they discover it? Metal detectors? Did he whip it out in front of the kids??

There are no metal detectors at the school. My guess is that the poor bastards shirt rode up on him or something.
10-16-2014, 12:38
KS63

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

"All the students are safe"

Not anymore... it's a gun free zone![facepalm]

That's right. I'd get my kid and get the F'k outta there!
10-16-2014, 16:34
Ronin13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

As long as you are not leaving the car, I don't see an issue. Perhaps I'm wrong?

According to the law- you can leave it locked in your car if you are not in the car.
"A permittee may have a handgun on the real property of the public school so long as the handgun remains in his or her vehicle and, if the permittee is not in the vehicle, the handgun is in a compartment within the vehicle and the vehicle is locked."
I've done this before visiting my old HS, well mostly to visit with my friend who happens to be the SRO. Never once had an issue.
10-16-2014, 16:50
Irving

Yeah but we're talking non-handguns now.
10-16-2014, 17:06
Duman

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Originally Posted by Rooskibar03

I always think about this sitting in the car outside kids school. I park on the street and stay out of the lot but still always in the back of mind.

It might raise some eyebrows, sitting in a vehicle outside a school. [Coffee]
10-19-2014, 01:35
Artema

I'll never understand the desire for our children, our future, to be fish in a barrel (gun-free zone farce).
10-19-2014, 09:13
Ronin13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artema

I'll never understand the desire for our children, our future, to be fish in a barrel (gun-free zone farce).

You'll never understand because you're not an anti-gun, libtard moron that puts 2 and 2 together and somehow gets potato.
10-19-2014, 09:33
Danimal

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10-19-2014, 10:55
Ronin13

I wonder, how long until our kids have to empty everything out of their pockets and remove their shoes... Just to go to class!? Ben Franklin said something about sacrificing liberty for security...
10-19-2014, 11:00
Irving

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Originally Posted by Danimal

Many of the newer schools, or following school remodels they are installing metal detectors. The school that my wife works at requires any visitor to buzz in, look into a security camera, walk through double security doors equipped with metal detectors. The metal detectors do not alarm, and only show up in the school resource officer office as well as the front desk receptionist. There is probably more than that, but I really don't ask questions.

He probably got passively hit with the metal detector and was approached and questioned by the officer.

Just because your kids school did not have them last year, does not mean that they are not going to be installed over the summer.

There would be a ton of metal on parents and kids alike though.
10-19-2014, 11:11
BadShot

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68Charger

That is my understanding... but I carry in my kids' school all the time, so what do I know?

Then you are breaking the law and have foolishly announced to the interweb that you are committing a felony..not a good idea.

I personally will happily store my weapon(s) in my vehicle while at my kids school.. I'm not going to risk a felony conviction and potentially get jail time and not be able to provide for my family.

But hey if ya'll want to take that risk, have at..just don't be silly and announce you're committing a felony on the damn errornet..rember that everything on the internet last forever and can and will be used against you.
10-19-2014, 11:39
Irving

I believe he may home school.
10-19-2014, 11:49
BadShot

Well then thats another matter all together lol
10-19-2014, 11:55
GilpinGuy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danimal

He probably got passively hit with the metal detector and was approached and questioned by the officer.

No metal detectors at this school. I'm still waiting to hear more details about this. It's a small community up here. It'll come out eventually.
10-19-2014, 12:09
Irving

Quote:

Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

No metal detectors at this school. I'm still waiting to hear more details about this. It's a small community up here. It'll come out eventually.

Would you say that you could bet on it.
10-19-2014, 13:35
GilpinGuy

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Originally Posted by Irving

Would you say that you could bet on it.

Haha! Yes I would.
10-19-2014, 14:55
68Charger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irving

I believe he may home school.

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Originally Posted by BadShot

Well then thats another matter all together lol

Irving's right- my only crime is that of being a smartass [Beer]