The Science is Settled

This made me LMAO this morning. [ROFL1]

Saudi Cleric Argues That the Sun Revolves Around the Earth

A Saudi cleric has publicly claimed that the Earth is a static object which is orbited by the sun, adding that centuries of evidence to the contrary is little more than fabrication.

Sheikh Bandar al-Khaibari is believed to have been speaking at a university lecture in the United Arab Emirates when a student asked him whether the Earth rotates or is stationary.

The Islamic scholar quickly replies ‘stationary and does not move’, before launching into a long-winded and confusing explanation that appears to the suggest that if the Earth was moving, airliners would never be able to reach their destination.

On concluding his baffling explanation, Sheikh al-Khaibari went on to claim the NASA lunar mission was Hollywood fabrication and that humans have never been to the moon, according to Al Arabiya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...;v=HLfwudUJqCk

Nice to see the flat earth society is all well and good. Hadn't heard from them for awhile.

Well, I'm glad we got that figgered out..............[facepalm]

I'm officially selling my boat...ain't no way I'm falling off the edge.

i'm gonna tell my boss i can't fly anymore...I might fly off the edge!

It's about time this finally got straighten out. I was wondering why all those times I tryed to fly to china I never made it.
[Whacko]

You know, at one time the Arabs were the pinnacle of scientific knowledge and discovery. Unfortunately, that was about a thousand years ago, and they apparently have not progressed since.

We laugh at this guy, but how many "climate change deniers" do we have in our own country? That science is settled too.

Looks like he is out of Mortal Kombat.

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

We laugh at this guy, but how many "climate change deniers" do we have in our own country? That science is settled too.

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There's a difference. We have actual measured data showing the effects of gravity and interplanetary space. We have pictures and live video proving the Copernican hypothesis. The global warming alarmists have model results which contradict with measured data, "settled science" papers with "peer review" which violate nearly every standard I grew up with (including deliberately cherry-picked data, charts flipped upside-down to fit the story, and collusion to fix the peer review and block any critical examination or opposing papers), and a set of defenders talking about "science" who couldn't pass high school physics.

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Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter

There's a difference. We have actual measured data showing the effects of gravity and interplanetary space. We have pictures and live video proving the Copernican hypothesis. The global warming alarmists have model results which contradict with measured data, "settled science" papers with "peer review" which violate nearly every standard I grew up with (including deliberately cherry-picked data, charts flipped upside-down to fit the story, and collusion to fix the peer review and block any critical examination or opposing papers), and a set of defenders talking about "science" who couldn't pass high school physics.

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The difference is ENORMOUS...boils down to true facts of the Copernican hypothesis versus false climate change data manufactured out of thin air to meet a predetermined conclusion.

Dirka Dirka Muhammed Jihad! [gihad]

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Originally Posted by roberth

The difference is ENORMOUS...boils down to true facts of the Copernican hypothesis versus false climate change data manufactured out of thin air to meet a predetermined conclusion.

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Hmmm... this jewel just came up in my news feed...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...icated-temper/

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The U.S. Senate may have voted 98-1 that "climate change is real and not a hoax," but the accusation that government scientists have cooked the books and invented a warming trend is as robust as ever.Fox News host Dana Perino joined several of her colleagues this week in casting doubt on the data scientists use to track temperature changes over time. Perino’s comments came on Feb. 9, 2015, as she and her co-hosts on The Five somewhat sarcasticallydiscussed how the fight against Islamic State or ISIS drew attention away from other issues, such as climate change.
"They're (the White House) actually kind of lucky that we don't cover climate change as much as we should," Perino said. "Because yesterday, it was reported that the temperature readings have been fabricated and it's all blowing up in their faces."

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Originally Posted by beast556

It's about time this finally got straighten out. I was wondering why all those times I tryed to fly to china I never made it.
[Whacko]

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Does this answer the question of the Malaysian Airlines missing flight?

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

We laugh at this guy, but how many "climate change deniers" do we have in our own country? That science is settled too.

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I'm sorry, what?

The science is settled. And the politics. It is a bunch of bullshit. That's why they had to change the name from "global warming" to "climate change". NOBODY can deny that the climate is changing. We've proven with boatloads of empirical evidence that the climate changes over time (Ever heard of an Ice age?). Now it's not even about science anymore. It's about politics and extortion.

Back on topic, TFOGGER nailed it: "You know, at one time the Arabs were the pinnacle of scientific knowledge and discovery. Unfortunately, that was about a thousand years ago, and they apparently have not progressed since."

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Originally Posted by HoneyBadger

... Now it's not even about science anymore. It's about politics and extortion.

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And don't forget those carbon credits. [Sarcasm2]

I'm glad some real science has been applied to solve this, with ground breaking results.

Is the theory of evolution next on his list?

Reminds me of Guam capsizing into the ocean.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

Hmmm... this jewel just came up in my news feed...

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...icated-temper/

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Additionally, some of the instruments used to log measurements were ill-placed.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...-heat-sources/

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But there's a problem: Nearly every single weather station the U.S. government uses to measure the country's surface temperature may be compromised. Sensors that are supposed to be in empty clearings are instead exposed to crackling electronics and other unlikely sources of heat, from exhaust pipes and trash-burning barrels to chimneys and human graves.

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Communists (liberals, progressives, democrats) will go to any length to debase the truth and fabricate a story to steal money from and gain power over the citizenry. The ends justify the means in their malignant view.

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

We laugh at this guy, but how many "climate change deniers" do we have in our own country? That science is settled too.

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This made me LMAO this morning[ROFL1]

Just watched the video. This guy definitely fails the Can an Airplane Take Off From a Treadmill challenge.

Not wanting to fan the flames further, but you guys did read the ENTIRE article posted by TROGGER above, right?
Where in the concluding paragraphs it rates the FOX anchors, along with claims of manipulated data as being... "pants on fire".

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

Not wanting to fan the flames further, but you guys did read the ENTIRE article posted by TROGGER above, right?
Where in the concluding paragraphs it rates the FOX anchors, along with claims of manipulated data as being... "pants on fire".

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Hadn't bothered because politifact is anything but facts. Climate Audit has been raising the thorny issues of how Mann and company have manipulated the data for years including showing just how to replicate the results Mann published (since he won't provide the source code or data despite being required to do so when he accepted federal funding) and the gyrations you have to go through in order to replicate his results (or not ... in some cases, you can get Mann's hockey stick by feeding pink noise into what code he has published).

Consensus the Earth's median temperature has increased in the past 100 years? Easy to get since we had the Little Ice Age a bit over 100 years ago and measuring from a local minima gets you ... surprise, surprise ... a positive slope! Let's hear it for middle high school geometry! Now, measure back 1000 years to when they were growing grapes for vineyards in Greenland and England and you get ... oh gee, sorry about that, pre-Industrial Age temperatures were warmer. Like I said, deliberately cherry-picked data. If I'd done what Mann has done in his papers, I'd rightfully have been flunked out of my classes if not tossed out of school altogether.

Well, seeing as though the word "Science" is used so much in this debate, I'll leave you with some words from the most respected SCIENTIST and probably the most brilliant minded person on our little planet today...

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and a little video for good measure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Sa52DpMCs

The question in my mind is not if the climate is changing, as it clearly is. The question, to me, is "Is this being accelerated by humans, and to what extent?" Given historical data (90% of North America being covered by more than 100 feet of ice ~30K years ago, but being tropical roughly 30K years before that), I gotta say that our impact is minimal at best. Does this mean that conserving resources and being good stewards of the land is bad? Absolutely not. But panicking and saying "We MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!" is bullshit. Manipulating the peasants through fear is one of the oldest tactics in the Book of Tyranny.

Tyson is an unabashed liberal, and has been found on many occasions to have "misstated" things as scientific fact, when in reality they are no such thing.

The beauty of this country is that we are all free to believe whatever we want. I love it. I'm not going to sway anyone's mind with cute pictures or video, so please accept the following as my own musings... I do have a sneaky suspicion that 2, 5 or maybe 10 years from now, armed with even more irrefutable scientific evidence, we will look back at this "debate" over climate change and laugh at ourselves, and wonder why we did not listen to the really smart guys in the room. Just like looking back at the THEORY of evolution, or the THEORY of gravity, neither of which are THEORY anymore. I simply wish that politics and religion were kept away from science.

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

Well, seeing as though the word "Science" is used so much in this debate, I'll leave you with some words from the most respected SCIENTIST and probably the most brilliant minded person on our little planet today...

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and a little video for good measure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Sa52DpMCs

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

The beauty of this country is that we are all free to believe whatever we want. I love it. I'm not going to sway anyone's mind with cute pictures or video, so please accept the following as my own musings... I do have a sneaky suspicion that 2, 5 or maybe 10 years from now, armed with even more irrefutable scientific evidence, we will look back at this "debate" over climate change and laugh at ourselves, and wonder why we did not listen to the really smart guys in the room. Just like looking back at the THEORY of evolution, or the THEORY of gravity, neither of which are THEORY anymore. I simply wish that politics and religion were kept away from science.

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Quoting a Progressive Moonbat who happens to have a PhD, wins no points in a debate.
Following it up with "evolution" seals the deal.

There are at least two sides to the arguments mentioned. I would spend equal time extensively researching all sides before taking a stand.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The question in my mind is not if the climate is changing, as it clearly is. The question, to me, is "Is this being accelerated by humans, and to what extent?" Given historical data (90% of North America being covered by more than 100 feet of ice ~30K years ago, but being tropical roughly 30K years before that), I gotta say that our impact is minimal at best. Does this mean that conserving resources and being good stewards of the land is bad? Absolutely not. But panicking and saying "We MUST DO SOMETHING!!!!" is bullshit. Manipulating the peasants through fear is one of the oldest tactics in the Book of Tyranny.

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+1

Also, I'm curious whether or not many of the models (none which seem to hold up to reality, funny that) take into account shifting microclimates around the weather stations themselves. I remember about 12 years or so ago when my high school class visited the CSU weather station, one of the grad students was researching this phenomenon. Transfort (the local bus system) had recently built a new terminal about 200 feet away from this station, which had historically been giving pretty consistent results, but lately it had been showing marked heat increases (likely due to the large amount of new hot asphalt in the area, etc).

Oh, and the fact that some scientists have deliberately falsified data....yeah, don't think I can trust them.

After all, remember that at one point in time, The Science Was Settled™ that the Earth was flat.

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Originally Posted by SAPenguin

The beauty of this country is that we are all free to believe whatever we want. I love it. I'm not going to sway anyone's mind with cute pictures or video, so please accept the following as my own musings... I do have a sneaky suspicion that 2, 5 or maybe 10 years from now, armed with even more irrefutable scientific evidence, we will look back at this "debate" over climate change and laugh at ourselves, and wonder why we did not listen to the really smart guys in the room. Just like looking back at the THEORY of evolution, or the THEORY of gravity, neither of which are THEORY anymore. I simply wish that politics and religion were kept away from science.

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Al Gore has admitted several times that he faked the data in his global warming flick, and he made $$$$ from it. Do you not pay any attention to the news? It was all over every major site just last week that all the data was either manipulated, or incorrectly gathered.

First, evil humans were causing the earth to heat up so much that the ice caps would be totally melted by 2015 (oh no!), then they changed the name to "climate change" instead of "global warming" because the data clearly didn't match their agenda, and just last month, I read an article in Scientific American proposing that we evil humans are actually causing global cooling! [facepalm]

I don't know that I'd call DeGrasse Tyson a moonbat.

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Originally Posted by TFOGGER

The question in my mind is not if the climate is changing, as it clearly is. The question, to me, is "Is this being accelerated by humans, and to what extent?" Given historical data (90% of North America being covered by more than 100 feet of ice ~30K years ago, but being tropical roughly 30K years before that), I gotta say that our impact is minimal at best.

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While I am in agreement with you, I think that people who are skeptical of the climate change predictive models need a better argument than the above mentioned. A dam builder can point to the historical movement of a river, just as a lumberjack can point out how the tree he is cutting down might not have even been around 200 years ago, but that doesn't change the fact that damming a river or cutting down a tree are having a dramatic effect.

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Originally Posted by Irving

I don't know that I'd call DeGrasse Tyson a moonbat.

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I Agree, but I damn sure wouldn't call him " the most respected SCIENTIST and probably the most brilliant minded person on our little planet today..."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQoLbPudHTE

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Originally Posted by Irving

Reminds me of Guam capsizing into the ocean.

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I remember listening to that conversation.....IIRC, it was a congressman asking an admiral about the impact of landing ships on Guam. It left me speechless.

I remember in the 70's, the climate scientists were alarming the world with "the earth is cooling, the earth is coolig!".
Watching these science shows, they think ~500m years ago the atmosphere was toxic, full of toxic and acidic gases. About every 2m years, or so, the magnetic poles flip, at which point we have limited protection from space radiation and mass extinctions were likely. There is evidence that at one time the entire planet was covered with ice, not simply an ice age. Volcanos spew billions of tons of crud in the atmosphere every year. We banned CFCs and the holes in the ozone are as big as ever.

The list goes on....when Yellowstone erupts, I'll gab a lawn chair and a beer.

Some say the end is near, some say we'll see Armageddon soon. I certainly hope we will....... Learn to swim.

Climate alarmism has been debunked as 100% politics and junk science. Can we move on, finally?

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Originally Posted by davsel

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Wait...are you saying that the two biggest names in the "Scientific community" who are championing climate change are outspoken liberals? So much for the wish "that politics and religion were kept away from science."

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Originally Posted by davsel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQoLbPudHTE

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Davsel, I'm a little confused... I thought you were arguing against me, but your video shows exactly my point (i.e. religion interfering with science) by the same guy (Degrasse) whom I previously referenced...