Theater Trial

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05-05-2015, 13:41
KAPA

Theater Trial

Have not seen this discussed on here. Started last week and expected to go 5 months or so. Live feed during the trial with discussion in between: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/auro...ing/trial-live

Initial thoughts as I see all these people that are involved here is how much taxpayer money this trial is costing. Lawyers are not cheap, and pretty much everyone on camera is getting paid for this thing. Really wish this guy would have ate a bullet long ago.

I do find the trial intriguing though. Anyone know where/if any of the evidence is made public online? They show many photos and videos up on the TV in court but the one camera that is allowed, does not really give you a view of what they are talking about.

Even the cops keep referring to his AR as an assault rifle, one guy called it a machine gun and no one was corrected. Anyone know if this thing was full auto?
05-05-2015, 14:56
Hound

Sad but I would rather they threw everything they had at him if it makes sure he never sees the light of day again. Any rifle is an assualt rifle if used in the manner he did. Don't make this a gun rights thing.... We will all lose big time.... More than we already have. Pretty sure it was semi-auto but most people have no clue. If lead comes out the end you could call it a cannon and they would agree. Let it play out and hopefully we never hear his name again.
05-05-2015, 14:57
StagLefty

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Even the cops keep referring to his AR as an assault rifle, one guy called it a machine gun and no one was corrected. Anyone know if this thing was full auto?

I believe I read that he bought it at Gander Mountain so I'm thinking it wasn't full auto.
05-05-2015, 15:00
Irving

Lawyers spew all kinds of bullshit in the court room and aren't called on it.
05-05-2015, 15:00
Snowman78

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Originally Posted by StagLefty

I believe I read that he bought it at Gander Mountain so I'm thinking it wasn't full auto.

Yep He got it at Gander Mountain in Thornton. It was a Smith M&P AR15 (semi-auto).
05-05-2015, 15:04
Doc45

Semi-auto Bushy, had a 100rd Betamag-it jammed (thankfully), couldn't clear it and tried jamming more standard mags into it before the piece of shit transitioned to his shotgun and then pistol. The prosecution, especially during Brauchler's opening statements, is really setting it up to show how methodical the planning was and not the work of an insane mind. It's been gut-wrenching to listen to the victims' testimony as well as many of the first responders.
05-05-2015, 15:18
KAPA

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Originally Posted by StagLefty

I believe I read that he bought it at Gander Mountain so I'm thinking it wasn't full auto.

Yeah that is correct. When I heard "machine gun" though, I was wondering if he had something modified or maybe had that bump stock thing?

The irony from all this is that the 100 round mag that he used supposedly misfed yet people got caught up with that number and led to the ban. Ironic that if he used a bunch of 10 round mags they probably would have functioned better than the 100 rounder.
05-05-2015, 15:20
sniper7

I wish that Texas cop that plays first person shooter games against radical Muslims with his revolver had been there to drop this giant turd.
05-05-2015, 15:23
KAPA

The victims are certainly tough to listen to. I am surprised no one has jumped across the desk and tried to rip his head off yet. He just sits there swinging back and forth in his chair with no reactions at all. I don't think I could get up there and not attack him after what happened.

I am more interested in how a person gets in that mindset. The interviews between him and cops after the shooting would be interesting but I seem to either have missed them or they were not made public.
05-05-2015, 15:29
KAPA

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I wish that Texas cop that plays first person shooter games against radical Muslims with his revolver had been there to drop this giant turd.

No need for that guy, they had a sticker on the front door of the theater saying "No guns allowed".
05-05-2015, 16:15
cstone

This is not about whether he did it. Best function for this trial is to release most of the information developed during the investigation to the public.

I do not believe he will ever be executed even if they can get past the insanity defense.
05-05-2015, 16:35
Irving

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Originally Posted by cstone

I do not believe he will ever be executed even if they can get past the insanity defense.

While it'd be a completely unfair gotcha question, I'd sure love to ask Hickenlooper if he'd pardon Holmes if given the opportunity.
05-05-2015, 16:44
cstone

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Originally Posted by Irving

While it'd be a completely unfair gotcha question, I'd sure love to ask Hickenlooper if he'd pardon Holmes if given the opportunity.

Hickenlooper won't have to consider the issue. By the time the ten plus years of appeals are out on a death penalty verdict rendered in 2016 (it will be that long after the trial is over before a sentence is handed down), Colorado will be two, maybe even three governors past the current occupant. Besides, after Dunlap, do you really have much doubt where the Hickenlooper stands on the death penalty?
05-05-2015, 16:54
Irving

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Originally Posted by cstone

Hickenlooper won't have to consider the issue. By the time the ten plus years of appeals are out on a death penalty verdict rendered in 2016 (it will be that long after the trial is over before a sentence is handed down), Colorado will be two, maybe even three governors past the current occupant. Besides, after Dunlap, do you really have much doubt where the Hickenlooper stands on the death penalty?

That's why it'd be an unfair question, because we all know he'll never have to be in the position to decide. I still would like to see someone ask him though, just out of spite.
05-05-2015, 16:56
Dave_L

"Hey Gov, why not save us all some time and give him a pardon right now like you were ready to do for Dunlap?"

If I were his lawyer, I'd just try to get one of his assistants to commit to giving him a pardon.
05-05-2015, 17:52
TFOGGER

Hopefully, he'll get put in gen pop in prison, and someone will feed him a urinal, like they did Dahmer...
05-05-2015, 17:58
GilpinGuy

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Originally Posted by Irving

That's why it'd be an unfair question, because we all know he'll never have to be in the position to decide. I still would like to see someone ask him though, just out of spite.

Call in to the Rosen show the next time Hick is on and ask him. I'd love to hear that.
05-05-2015, 18:09
Irving

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Originally Posted by GilpinGuy

Call in to the Rosen show the next time Hick is on and ask him. I'd love to hear that.

He is also on NPR once a week. I'm sure they'd screen that call. I could just pretend I had a question about the topic of the day, but I don't think I've got the balls to do it.
05-05-2015, 20:02
Rucker61

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Yeah that is correct. When I heard "machine gun" though, I was wondering if he had something modified or maybe had that bump stock thing?

The irony from all this is that the 100 round mag that he used supposedly misfed yet people got caught up with that number and led to the ban. Ironic that if he used a bunch of 10 round mags they probably would have functioned better than the 100 rounder.

He fired more rounds from his handgun than he did from the AR.
05-05-2015, 20:43
TheGrey

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Originally Posted by KAPA

Even the cops keep referring to his AR as an assault rifle, one guy called it a machine gun and no one was corrected. Anyone know if this thing was full auto?

There is an element of emotional manipulation involved in trials such as this. Lawyers want the jury to see things in the way that will best work for their side.
05-05-2015, 20:49
Irving

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Originally Posted by TheGrey

There is an element of emotional manipulation involved in trials such as this. Lawyers want the jury to see things in the way that will best work for their side.

Agreed. I was sitting in on the trial of that guy up in Thornton who stole a bunch of money and donated it to the church of scientology, then murdered his business partner (SWAT shut down I-25 and 84th) a few years ago. Even though that guy was a murdering piece of trash, I couldn't help but openly laugh at the antics of the prosecutor. He was trying to recreate what happened and trying to be as dramatic as possible. Between him hardly knowing which end of the gun to hold and it looking like he was auditioning for a Broadway production, it was difficult to take him seriously. Same thing for the attempted murder trial for which I was part of the jury.
05-05-2015, 20:53
kidicarus13

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Originally Posted by cstone

I do not believe he will ever be executed even if they can get past the insanity defense.

Not with a (better than 50/50) liberal Arapahoe County jury. He'll suck of the government teet for decades.

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