New regulations that can put you in JAIL. WTF!
https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/
Not a law passed by any legislature, just a new rule that carries the force of law.
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New regulations that can put you in JAIL. WTF!
https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/
Not a law passed by any legislature, just a new rule that carries the force of law.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/144927-...81#post1939281
Yeah, the "rule" applies to all rc or computer controlled aircraft over .55lbs. Multirotors, helicopters, blimps, gliders, etc. The "rule" could even be interpreted to include kites.
One key:so if you're not using it for profit (taking pictures you sell, for example- and putting them on youtube for compensation is a questionable area if you get ad revenue), then you don't need to register.Quote:
The FAA proposal offers safety rules for small UAS (under 55 pounds) conducting non-recreational operations.
Typical that these rules just don't apply well where I live.. 47 acres, rolling hills- Just the daytime only restriction chaps my ass, I'd like to run it at 3am to see if that little light I see is someone trespassing, or a flashlight- carrying deer.
FAA site says 55Lbs (25kg), not .55 LbsQuote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
Q. Which unmanned aircraft may register under the new registration requirements?Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
A. Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff, including everything that is on board or otherwise attached to the aircraft and operated outdoors in the national airspace system must register. These aircraft may register under the new web-based registration system.
Q. If I don't have a scale and my drone doesn't appear on the list is there another method to tell how much it weighs?
A. Two sticks of butter weigh 0.5lbs.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/registration/faqs/
that seems to directly contradict this:Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
https://www.faa.gov/uas/nprm/
And so when can you continue to operate under the rules for "model aircraft"?Quote:
The FAA proposal offers safety rules for small UAS (under 55 pounds) conducting non-recreational operations.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/Quote:
The new rules would not apply to model aircraft. However, model aircraft operators must continue to satisfy all of the criteria specified in Sec. 336 of Public Law 112-95, including the stipulation that they be operated only for hobby or recreational purposes.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/media/Sec_331_336_UAS.pdfQuote:
The statutory parameters of a model aircraft operation are outlined in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95 (the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012) (PDF). Individuals who fly within the scope of these parameters do not require permission to operate their UAS; any flight outside these parameters (including any non-hobby, non-recreational operation) requires FAA authorization. For example, using a UAS to take photos for your personal use is recreational; using the same device to take photographs or videos for compensation or sale to another individual would be considered a non-recreational operation.
deliberate obfuscation, incompetence by gov't, or just strong arm tactics?
What is: "All of the above" for eleventy billion dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
Molon Aabe.
That is all.
http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/...pskcucs7gj.jpg
The stated purposed is to get a list of people to distribute safety materials from time to time to make safer skies
I'm torn. As a private pilot, there are many UAS operators that fly too high, or too close to airports without any regard to safety for manned flight. On the other hand, Im not much for more govt regulation.
The rules were made because legislature already passed laws charging the FAA with registering any aircraft in US airspace. The FAA didn't previously require small UAD to register, and now they do. It does seem there are laws on the books to support this change, at least at face value. Who knows what particulars will be uncovered when legal council gets involved.
The one thing that I do sincerely hope comes from this, either way, is UAS operators who are more concerned with safety issues they may cause in the NAS. It's just a few hundred bucks for them, but it could be 4 lives for my and my passengers if we collide. Whether that comes from people taking this upon themselves to avoid new legislation, or new legislation, I hope that is one positive outcome here.
J, sincere question here:Quote:
Originally Posted by J
Are you thinking something like hghclsswhitetrsh has pictured could cause serious problems to a small plane?
Or something bigger, like the "55 lb" drone, obviously?
The real issue for me is. How the store owners , managers and majority of comments are in favor of Registration. Quad copters, guns wtf is next, in the name of Safety?
I can see the headlines now...drones...the new helicopter killer. More deadly than the .50bmg sniper rifle.
Don't forget the propeller thingy that goes up.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
I got a cheapy quadcopter last week...wife hit the neighbors house with it this weekend. [panic]
A pigeon size and maybe a smaller bird can come through the window of a plane. Keep the drones below 400FT, and no closer than 5 miles from an airport please.
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski
Dear pilot,
Stay above 400 feet, I'll stay below 400 and not within 5 miles of an airport.
Thanks.
I think if everyone did that, most pilots would be pretty happy. Only exception I can think of is spray planes working agriculture, but that's already pretty dangerous flying comparitively, not sure UAS will make it much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
Problem is the number of people who don't follow those rules. It would be awesome if the manufacturers would start taping big hunter orange stickers to the units with these rules outlined. Maybe they have, I dunno.
Mine should fly this weekend.
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Even a duck against a fullly aluminum wing creates some impressive damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
If I took a drone that size to the prop, landing gear or windshield while I was at full cruise speed I would have an immediate emergency situation.
It's the speed the planes are moving, more than the weight of the drone. 150-220mph impact speed depending on the small plane, even,if the drone is still.
Can't all you drone vigilantes just be satisfied with the views from public web cams? [/snark]
http://www.insecam.orgQuote:
Originally Posted by Irving
My DJI phantom came out of the box restricted through the app.Quote:
Originally Posted by J
Just watched a three-some in a pool in China and a bar brawl in London. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by 00tec
>> A. Unmanned aircraft weighing less than 55 pounds and more than 0.55 pounds (250 grams) on takeoff
So if I buy a *huge* Goodyear blimp and set it up to be flown remotely, I don't have to register it since it's weightless at takeoff, right?
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Was that under Entertainment, Education, or Nature?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Works for me, thanks.
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Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
Just got my quadcopter rough calibrated. Waiting on my second GPS and landing gear. Guess I could setup the voice prompts in the radio while I wait.
The evil black drone is almost complete. Haha
Everything you need to know about the risks of drones colliding with aircraft in one chart:
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I foresee a new launching technique... attaching balloons to the drone to get it airborne... then a release will untether them either on command, or when a certain altitude is reached... so the weight at takeoff is less than 0.55 Lb.
It's to save battery life- yeah, that's the ticket!
I should market this as a solution- name of the company could be like Foresight Unlimited For Aeronautical Assets... FUFAA for short!
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But seriously, does anyone have a source for 80% drones?
http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys...JQ&searchidx=6
I'm a little dense, and maybe don't see the humor. Are you seriously trying to say that there are no risks to aircraft?
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Originally Posted by asmo
See the graph, based on historical data - no. That said there are always risks with any new technology.Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
Government over-sight, mandating registration, and forcing licensing have never really been good answers - again historically. Especially when the licensing and registration do absolutely nothing to combat the 'problem' they are claiming to solve. See gun registration for the logical extension.
Really??? Have you ever piloted an aircraft? Birdstrikes as mentioned earlier are enough of a hazard. So you don't think a drone would be? I mean anyone can buy one of these "toys" and can fly it in airspace that would be hazardous to real airplanes. Do you really think those same drone flyers would self regulate and not allow them above 400 ft. and 5 miles from an airport without some laws? I've seen some of the videos from drones, these flyers are already pushing the envelope, several commercial flights have already reported near misses. I for one do not want to see one of these in my windshield. We can't do anything about nature, and as a pilot you accept that risk. These "devices" should have a ceiling built into them that will not allow them to fly higher than 400 ft. and even that is too high if operated near an active airport. If you don't want regs on these "devices" then use some common sense and self regulate. So far, that is not what has been done, hence the FAA being forced to try and regulate these things.
Remove everything you said pertaining to aircraft and apply it to firearms. Kinda scary huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
I'm still trying to figure out how turtles get airborne.
Pigs I get, not so much on the shellbacks.
Gun owners seem to be able self regulate, but some of the drone folks don't seem to be able, and have already shown that they are reckless. Additionally, I don't see drones anywhere in the bill of rights.
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Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh
I agree it's not on the bill of rights. There have been a couple isolated incidents with airplanes spotting quad copters. You sound like a liberal talking gun regulations. Oh yeah drone to us hobbyists is like black evil assault rifle to gun owners.
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Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
Seriously?
Actually, there has been an absolutely MINUSCULE number of encounters with drones and aircraft - even around airports.Quote:
Originally Posted by milwaukeeshaker
Instead of prosecuting everyone for a crime they have not, and probably never will, commit - how about we look at tough enforcement of existing laws. Oh wait. This sounds familiar. Wait, wait.. it will come to me.
This is more about AOPA and EAA trying to remain relevant. The FAA trying to exert control (and eventually forced licensing and training); and folks like Jeppeson salivating at the concept of selling even more training and licensing material.
Have you piloted an aircraft?