Anyone following this? I have friends in the native American community, so I hear/see a lot more than what is on the news.
Cliven Bundy-media free-for-all
BLM=media-free-for-all
Native Americans protesting oil pipeline=crickets
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Anyone following this? I have friends in the native American community, so I hear/see a lot more than what is on the news.
Cliven Bundy-media free-for-all
BLM=media-free-for-all
Native Americans protesting oil pipeline=crickets
It's been happening for a few weeks. I too know a few people on the rez. 1 or 2 may or may not be in attendance.
I actually know an intern that had access to a media executives notes from a story-picking meeting.
I share them here for the world (yes, they actually take note in crayon):
http://i984.photobucket.com/albums/a...psg4okasft.png
Doesn't fit the narrative = doesn't make the news.
Bundy: "Angry white folks is bad!"
BLM: "Angry black folks is good!"
Indians: "Uh, What?"
There has been resistance to that pipeline at various levels for over a year. I think it may finally have all the required permits to begin construction. Likely gonna be a pretty big legal mess before it's all said and done. I believe the above commenters take in relation to other protests are spot on. As far as the BLM folks go they have no clue what disenfranchised is when it comes to life on the rez.
RT news (Russia Today) view is that what the North American early settlers did to the native aboriginals was nothing more than the worlds largest case of genocide. So basically the founding fathers made the Nazis look like amateurs. They almost completely obliterated an entire continent. How come they don't teach this in our schools? They didn't in mine anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7baWokO4ms
They don't teach it because history is written by the unwashed, accidental victors. Realistically, disease was responsible for the fall of an estimated 98% of Native American population. Whenever you place large groups of people in confined spaces rapid disease spreading is the result, no matter the level of sanitation--which, compared to Europeans at the time, was much better-practiced among Native Americans. The disease was likely spread by the Europeans--though not intentionally. The Norse likely came to the "New World" first and were militarily outclassed and outmanned by the aboriginal people there, so they retreated back to their ships and little note was made of the encounter. Shortcut another hundred+ years and other Europeans start making tentative expeditions and discover drastically reduced populations. A lot of early European settlers also "went native" as well, seeing the much better living conditions of the Native Americans at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
Do I have any regrets/guilt? Welp, I'm alive because of all this. So no. I'd always keep in mind that RT, like all major media outlets, has its own agenda derived primarily from Russian oligarchies (not that they are completely bereft of truth).
At this point in history, we are all living on the backs of genocides, slavery, and trying not to be eaten by large predators before we began making ourselves miserable by plowing fields from dawn to dusk. Is it all right? Who is to say--it just is.
Trust me, US public school kids are getting plenty of "white guilt" shoved down their throats regarding the Columbian Exchange.
National Guard called in.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...peline-protest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VADcWANqBp8
Perhaps because it is 100% false anti-American propaganda?Quote:
Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy
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Read any true account of the Indian wars not influenced by white guilt; they were depraved and barbaric before any Europeans ever showed up: Aztecs. There are several books regarding the wars since shortly after the mayflower arrived. Many of the accounts of their treatment of prisoners is horrific to read. the middle eastern types are clowns compared to the Indians.
Also the Russians love to use propaganda against the US. Query how many of their indigenous people did they kill: Ukrainians, "kurlaks" cassocks, and Russians.
Russia has their own share of "native" crushing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...les_of_Siberia
I'm a bit curious here.Quote:
Originally Posted by CO Hugh
So the native americans were depraved and barbaric before Europeans ever showed up. Europeans weren't before they took the boat ride over? 1500-1800 was pretty incredible on the continent of Europe. I'm not seeing the relevance of that point unless you're using it to justify what european expansion into the americas did to native americans.
And so what if they were brutal and savage? I could have a neighbor that beats his wife, kicks his dog and slaps his kid around and I don't think moving in with him is going to fix that. I'm either going to end him, turn around and head home, or he is going to end me.
And don't get me wrong - I don't have any qualms over what happened on this continent 2-300 years ago. I'm just curious as to how this 'Standing Rock protests' thread got turned into a discussion about whether or not migrant europeans slaughtered a bunch of native americans. Fairly or unfairly... Unless it is a passive way of saying 'fuck 'em' in regards to what is currently going on.
Enlighten me!
And I'll see your picture of a book cover and raise you one... I just scored Empire of the Summer Moon on Audible. Looking forward to it!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._human_soc.jpg
GREAT book.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-0...-censors-video
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It didn’t take long after the National Guard was activated in North Dakota for militarized law enforcement to descend upon the site of the Dakota Access Pipeline. Today, mass arrests began as riot gear-clad police attempted to break up Native American opposition to the construction of the pipeline, which has been halted at one location but continues elsewhere.
According to independent news outlet Unicorn Riot, at least 20 protesters, or “water protectors,” have been arrested at gunpoint along with medics and two journalists. Police issued a one-time warning to “water protectors” that any trespassers would be arrested. The warning came after several people locked themselves to construction equipment in acts of civil disobedience on Tuesday.
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[UPDATE: A Unicorn Riot collective member confirmed to Anti-Media via email that Facebook was blocking the video link with its “automated censorship system.”
“At a critical moment of our coverage of a Dakota Access Pipeline direct action today, Facebook’s automated censorship system blocked our video URL, shortly before two of our journalists were arrested onsite. As we started to cover today’s direct action, our collective members immediately noticed that the full Livestream event URL (https://livestream.com/unicornriot/events/6340986) was being blocked from Facebook. Posts and comments with the URL both immediately triggered popup security alerts. We tried putting the same URL through Bitly shortening and that official Unicorn Riot page post was deleted by Facebook within a few minutes. Finally we went with sharing our ‘Live Channel’ URL on our own website which had the embed included on it.
“We also verified that the ‘Facebook Debugger’ warned that our live video URL violated ‘community standards.’ Both Facebook and law enforcement acted to block our media distribution today, but we will not let them stop our mission to amplify the voices of people who might otherwise go unheard, and broadcast the stories that might otherwise go untold.
“Also, as one member of the collective, I should point out it is obviously concerning when a large media conglomerate blocks URLs to competing video platforms.”]
I don't buy it. Smells like "Watermelons" using native Americans as pawns in their anti-capitalist, anti-industrialization, anti-western BS games.
I've been reading that no sacred lands are anywhere near touched by this and no water supplies are in danger that this is all bovine scat.
Based on how the media treats these kinds of issues I suspect we're being lied to.
Waiting to see if a friend of ours made it there. Supposedly their friend Jennifer is going to try a broadcast from Standing Rock on a left of center (aren't they all) "Public" radio station
http://www.kvmr.org/
One can interpret this protest any way they want. If one supported the bundy movement in NV they cannot ignore this issue. Grazing on BLM land or wanting to stop intrusion on other lands. IMO There's a lot more going on than wanting to stop the pipeline.
I was educated by George Lyle Parker. Great grandson of Quanah Parker. He had degrees in physics and chemistry. We used to have great discussions on semiconductor theory. The US Air Force provided funding for a complete electronics laboratory. The latest oscilloscopes, digital multimeters, etc. The place is now a "space control intelligence" facility.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Feltwell
They aren't from what I can tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
Anything downstream of any pipeline having an accident is 'in danger'. The Missouri is a heavily channeled river and how much it waters surrounding lands could be debated. But an accident that poisoned it would be pretty catastrophic for 600-ish miles downstream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zundfolge
I think this is more about people caring about something than tinfoil.
I spent a lot of time growing up on the Missouri just downstream from this proposed pipeline. Camping on the river bank - often times on res land. I fished the river in the summer and hunted the surrounding lands in fall and winter months.
I was a guest there on either private farm or res land. As such; I didn't and don't have any ownership there. But I can appreciate concerns by those that do.
Guns, Germs, and Steel, along with most of Jared Diamond's output is highly over rated.
Take a look at the criticism of his tale about Easter Island for a good look into how he basically peddles facil bs.
They will believe anything you tell them:
http://www.9news.com/news/hoax-pipel...1969/319299482
I tend to leave criticism to critics. They're more interested in claiming accomplishment on works that have been done than actually doing work themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin
I don't take anything that I read as gospel. But I know when I've gotten good information from something.
I found Guns, Germs and Steel enlightening in a lot of different ways.
What did YOU think about it? Or are you a critic? ^^See above.
So people on Facebook are "checking in" to Standing Rock as a way of showing support and making it hard for cops to know who's there for real or not. I haven't heard many updates on this so figured I'd bump it.
The ones on public land are wrong for trespassing. The one's on rez land should never be harrassed by K-9's and what i have seen to be "private security" crossing on to the rez. It's become a drone v drone with unmarked / no visible registration? numbers on the copters for the contractors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_L
It's going to be along winter...
currently I can't link the article due to URL blockage at work, but there is a lot more to this than being circulated by the anit-gov crowd. There has been considerable accommodation and adjustments to building sites and schedules...the Lakota lost out on about $50mil in compensation as well.
There is a lot more to this than it seems and despite typical government overreach and heavy handedness, this is a slightly different situation. ...which is why most of the stuff that has hit the court system was shot down.
Kraven, I've heard a few things like that. Ive been told there is A LOT more to this.
I read somewhere that the pipeline doesn't even cross res land. Then when confronted with that fact, they said "well, it will cross a river that flows through our res and if there's a leak....." blah blah blah.
I don't know much about this shitstorm, but if this is true it's much ado about nothing.
That is my understanding as well from the little I've heard outside of Facebook land.Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
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If a fertilizer plants waste line broke and contaminated the water that runs through your property. Wouldn't you have an issue with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by GilpinGuy
There was a lot of outrage when the epa fucked up, polluting water all the way down through NM.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...k-to-the-facts
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Personally I would have a considerable amount of problems with a pipeline under my water source...realize that is a water source for a large chunk of that region in some part or another.
That said, if they focused on that instead of all of the shit that isn't actually true, it would have gained far more traction early on.
Why a problem with a pipeline under the water source?
From what I've read, the "standards" for this are 4 feet under the water source. I read somewhere that this pipeline is supposed to be 90' under but I haven't been able to confirm that. What I read was (2-4 ft) is the standard. That includes major rivers, farm irrigation, etc. Its all the same. The concern is that if it leaks, it'd still contaminate the water. There's also been some examples of the pipe becoming exposed in the river bed as the bed erodes away and then the pipe starts leaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
This. Except that I bet you every single water source you pull from has a pipeline under it. Take a look at the maps of pipelines in this country. You can't get away from them being under your water source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraven251
I know a few of the guys involved in the pipeline project, and the media circus that this has become is all based on a farce.
This doesn't cross NA land, it doesn't effect their ability to live on the land they have, and with the exception of the pipeline crossing under the river, it doesn't pose any possible risk.
As for the possibility of a leak under the river contaminating the river, sure, anything is possible. However, people that haven't been involved, and don't know, have no clue about the stringent tests that are required for pipelines being put in the ground. Welders have to be certified, all welds are tested thoroughly and THEN xray'd for integrity, then there is pressure testing, and then they get to put it in the ground. But oh, guess what, it gets tested more once it's been buried, so it's back to high pressure testing (significantly higher than the pressures of running crude through the pipeline), and it all still has to pass. It's not some simple water/sewer pipe. So, the likelihood of a leak? Pretty damn low.
Don't want a pipeline? Sweet, so you must like truck/train traffic for all that crude being moved. Guess what, trucks and trains cause way more spills than pipelines. The simple nature of the process lends itself to more spills. Move the oil from the production facility to a truck (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc), haul the truck (with some dumbass driver) across highways and streets to a depot. Now we unload the truck into tanks (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc) so we can pump it into rail cars (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc), now we ship it on down the way via train and hope the train doesn't have a problem and cause a spill (happens more than UPRR et all want to admit), so we can unload it into tanks again at the refinery (flexible pipes, truck mounted pumps, operator error, etc)...
Right, because that's way less likely to have issues that a highly tested, welded, pipe that's buried in the ground away from dumbasses and their shenanigans...
I won't even get into the hypocrisy of all this. That's too easy, and should be apparent to anyone that understands what the O/G industry really supports...
The analogy I always heard was "If you're going to move a bunch of water while trying to spill as little as possible, are you going to move it bucket by bucket? Or get a hose/tube to flow it through?".
Pipelines are much safer than any other means of transporting petroleum. There are thousands and thousands of miles of pipelines in the US. When was the last big leak that significantly effected anyone? I really don't know (and haven't searched).
I think that's part of what happened. Everybody was focused on Keystone while this project was quietly being laid out, surveyed, and working it's way through the permitting process. By the time anybody got wind of Dakota Access, everybody who needed to sign off on it had done so.Quote:
That said, if they focused on that instead of all of the shit that isn't actually true, it would have gained far more traction early on.
There are numerous job openings at the Standing Rock Reservation. One is for a breast feeding facilitator trainer.
Not hard to see why they're pissed.
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I'm sorry but why are they just now protesting and if they are pissed about the loss of territory then why are they protesting a pipeline instead of the loss of territory? Why is it they are protesting against a corporation and not the Federal government? That is just the liberal media trying to justify their actions. Most likely this has more to do with $ than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by CavSct1983
Take a piece of paper and write your ancestry on it. Have someone take it from you and tear off a piece. Again, tear off a piece. Now tear another. And another. Now let someone take your last few scraps and decide they want to do something with it you don't want them to.Quote:
Originally Posted by WETWRKS
And when you are done with this exercise, and looking at your little piece of paper, your patrimony on the floor, having protested for generations, you might see why something so small would be such a big deal to them.