Round Three CMP 1911 Sale

1911 INFORMATION

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ROUND 3 1911 ANNOUNCEMENT

THE PROCEDURES FOR PURCHASING 1911 TYPE PISTOLS FROM CMP 1911

• Round 3 CMP 1911 Guidelines
• Round 3 CMP 1911 Order Packet
• Round 3 CMP 1911 Order Packet ? Fillable Form

Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1, 2022 and NOT AFTER SEPTEMBER 30, 2022.
Every applicant will be treated as a new customer to CMP 1911.
Previous purchases or relationships with CMP create no advantage or disadvantage to the customer.
CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has its own record keeping operation with no ties to the existing CMP records.
All ordering information is included in the CMP 1911 order packet. The information contained in the packet should answer ALL QUESTIONS regarding the ordering process. ORDERS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED BEFORE September 1, 2022.

Wish I could get another one...

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Wish I could get another one...

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Same here..

Just in case anyone needs a little prodding..

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Field grade

I'll play...

Colt service grade:
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I thought the point of the CMP was to get reasonably priced firearms into the hands of civilians to encourage shooting proficiency.

Maybe someone can explain to me how a >$1000 basic colt 45 that is used makes sense. You can buy brand new alternatives for less, even half as much. Is this the collector market driving pricing? If so, selling to collector types to hide in a safe doesnt fulfill the purpose of the CMP.

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Originally Posted by clodhopper

I thought the point of the CMP was to get reasonably priced firearms into the hands of civilians to encourage shooting proficiency.

Maybe someone can explain to me how a >$1000 basic colt 45 that is used makes sense. You can buy brand new alternatives for less, even half as much. Is this the collector market driving pricing? If so, selling to collector types to hide in a safe doesnt fulfill the purpose of the CMP.

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+1, prices on all there guns has been out of control for years now.

CMP prices on their 1911's have increased $200 across the board since Round 1&2, with Round 2 ending just a few days ago.

$1050-$1250, a two year wait and you have to prove membership of a club.

I understand the appeal of nostalgia and owning a piece of history, but that is too much for me.

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Originally Posted by clodhopper

I thought the point of the CMP was to get reasonably priced firearms into the hands of civilians to encourage shooting proficiency.

Maybe someone can explain to me how a >$1000 basic colt 45 that is used makes sense. You can buy brand new alternatives for less, even half as much. Is this the collector market driving pricing? If so, selling to collector types to hide in a safe doesnt fulfill the purpose of the CMP.

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Where an you get an actual USGI 1911 for less? WW2 made Ithacas sell north of $2k on Gunbroker.

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Originally Posted by def90

Where an you get an actual USGI 1911 for less? WW2 made Ithacas sell north of $2k on Gunbroker.

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OK. You missed the point. What is the intent of the CMP? CMP was not created to sell at high market prices to collectors of US History in an effort to gather profit. I dont disagree with your point about USGI history. But CMP was established to put used govt surplus into the hands of citizens to encourage shooting training, generally raising the marksmanship of the citizenry. From the (supposed to be) CMP point of view, these weapons are simply used govt surplus to be distributed at appropriate used weapon market value (not collector piece), or relatively close to that. The CMP keeps raising the bar to obtain a weapon and raising the price. They have lost the path.

Didn't take long for the haters to show up. Never does. There's always somebody who feels the need to rain on the parade any time CMP sales come up for discussion.

If you don't want one, fine. Don't submit your application. They're not for everyone and I can understand and respect that. But why do so many of you feel the need to diminish a great program? And I wish those of you who know where to find a serviceable, genuine USGI issue 1911 with basic provenance, Colt or otherwise, for under $1000 would let me know. Seriously...I'd love to know. Go ahead...I'll gladly wait.

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Originally Posted by clodhopper

From the CMP point of view, these weapons are simply used govt surplus to be distributed at appropriate used weapon value, or relatively close to that. The CMP keeps raising the bar to obtain a weapon and raising the price. They have lost the path.

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No...you missed the point and CMP hasn't "lost the path"...whatever that means.

If these were being distributed at their "appropriate value" they'd be offered at $2000 or more. I'd hardly call the cost of these 1911s "out of control" when they're generally about half of what similar guns sell for on the open market. The CMP was required to go to great expense to provide these guns to the public. Where do you think the "profits" from CMP gun sales go? It's not like they go into someone's pocket. The profits from CMP sales (of all their products...not just 1911s) go towards funding training and marksmanship events and facilities around the country. Money that isn't spent on those programs and associated costs goes into an endowment that will fund the program into the future once there are no longer surplus guns to sell.

For the life of me I can't understand how, when the US government actually creates a worthwhile program, some of you can nothing but bitch about it.

FFS...some of you people can't see the forest for the trees.

BTW...

For anyone interested in submitting a packet, the GCA (Garand Collectors Assoc) is an easy and inexpensive CMP-affiliated club to join. I think it's only $25 to join.

WEAPONS OF WAR ON OUR STREETS!!!!

As an investment, do these increase in value, as opposed to a new firearm which tends to hold its value?

I only see a couple on Gunbroker and they are around $1300.

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OK. You missed the point. What is the intent of the CMP? CMP was not created to sell at high market prices to collectors of US History in an effort to gather profit. I dont disagree with your point about USGI history. But CMP was established to put used govt surplus into the hands of citizens to encourage shooting training, generally raising the marksmanship of the citizenry. From the (supposed to be) CMP point of view, these weapons are simply used govt surplus to be distributed at appropriate used weapon market value (not collector piece), or relatively close to that. The CMP keeps raising the bar to obtain a weapon and raising the price. They have lost the path.

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Fair market value would be closer to $2k and above.

The 1911's weren't ever a part of CMP's charter, they only got these due to a couple congressmen that got the 1911 transfer shoved in to another bill, they were going to be scrapped otherwise, that is why they have the completely separate sales and entry system from the Garands. The money they will raise from these will go to fund more Garand imports if and when they ever become available.

The only gripe I have with the CMP is that they should have gotten rid of the 8 or whatever rifles a year a long time ago as it has become quite obvious that many people are using the CMP in order to make a quick $ flipping them. Even with the current shortage they are still letting guys walk in to the stores and buy multiple rifles a day. There are guys out there that have themselves, their wife and all their kids on their account and are getting dozens of rifles a year in which they flip on Gunbroker at double the price that CMP sold them for.

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As an investment, do these increase in value, as opposed to a new firearm which tends to hold its value?

I only see a couple on Gunbroker and they are around $1300.

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I would imagine that a true USGI 1911 is going to continue to increase in value while your run of the mill 1911 may or may not retain it's original value. How much it goes up in value will be determined by what it is that you receive, some are rarer than others.

Here's one that currently at $3200.. the guy just added some cheap surplus accessories. The guy only paid $1k for it unless he bought it through one of the collectors auctions the CMP has on some of the rarest models.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/946338182

You'll have to watch this one to see where it ends up at. No reserve penny start auctions tend to end up going for big $$ at the very end of the auction period:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/946241084

Agree with def90. Real, unmolested (that doesn't mean arsenal rebuilt), USGI pistols have historically continued to increase in value. Like anything else there are ups and downs. But when you consider the NRA sold some of these guns in the early 60s for $17 selling for $3000 these days would be a pretty good deal. $20 in 1960 would be worth $200 today just based on inflation. That same $20 put into the stock market in 1960, NOT adjusted for inflation, would be worth $1180 ($116 adjusted for inflation). I'm just posted these amounts for information...not that it means anything for the future.

I've heard the CMP is expecting some more M1 rifles some time this year. I hope so. I have a Correct Grade HRA I was able to buy for $950 several years ago. It's not rebuilt and it appears to be unissued. It's Korean War vintage but that's OK with me. I'd like to pick up another one that would just be shooter grade. Right now I think they only have Rack Grade, which would be fine just to shoot, but I'd like something just a little nicer.

CMP also had to build storage facilities just for the 1911s they received in order to comply with the congressional requirements. That's not cheap.

I paid $1050 for my Colt thru CMP. There's no doubt in my mind I could sell that gun for $2k today if I were so inclined.

M1 Collector's Club = $14/year
https://m1collectorsclub.com/join-today

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Originally Posted by Bailey Guns

Didn't take long for the haters to show up. Never does. There's always somebody who feels the need to rain on the parade any time CMP sales come up for discussion.

If you don't want one, fine. Don't submit your application. They're not for everyone and I can understand and respect that. But why do so many of you feel the need to diminish a great program? And I wish those of you who know where to find a serviceable, genuine USGI issue 1911 with basic provenance, Colt or otherwise, for under $1000 would let me know. Seriously...I'd love to know. Go ahead...I'll gladly wait.

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Yeah, I asked the wrong question to a group that only see one side of a situation. Not raining on anyone's parade. I asked a question and immediately beat over the head with the same concept (that somehow I dont "understand") that I was specifically questioning. So, I guess that makes me the "old man shouting at the sky". :rolleyes

So, no, I dont want one at that price. And no, I will not be submitting an application. I get it, you are enamored with the historic relevance of a genuine USGI piece. If you are into that, great. I stand by my assertion that the CMP was not created to sell collectors pieces at collector prices.

I am one of those guys on the other end of things. It is a mechanical device to sling a chunk of lead downrange. USGI? Ok, cool I guess, but I am still going to use it just like a Rock Island crapper bought at a gun shop. I am not one to hide stuff in a safe hoping I chose the investment right. And not everyone holds the same beliefs/habits that I do. That is fine in my eyes. Maybe very few or nobody else around here sees it like I do.


God forbid anyone question some aspect of the firearm industry around here to initiate discussion. Sheesh.

CMP has changed its mission several time since 1903, but it mainly about training, not sales.

It was never intended to put surplus firearms in the hands of citizens.

The government does not fund it so instead they donate firearms for the CMP to sell.

Proceeds from the sales of firearms helps fund the many programs they oversee.

At least that is what I have learned over the past couple days since this thread has popped up.

I was not familiar with the program or the CMP in general so I have tried to learn more about it.

Fair enough. Twas explained to me differently at some time in the past.

[auctionvoice] Git cher garunteed USGI peestolls while they last! [/auctionvoice]

What price/value should they be sold at? The issue you have is that it’s a used pistol at a collector price. So where and what metric should they set the price? $1250 is a fucking steal for a USGI Pistol, and the collector market is what determines the value. Otherwise we’re taking about the melt point of the steel. So $.50?

A service grade Garand is $850! $850 in 2022 for a non import marked USGI Garand. How is that too much? Find another one in even close condition for $850. I mean fuck they ship them in a nice case overnight. The shipping and case alone are close to $100.

Mr. CMP isn’t swimming in money from gun sales like Scrooge McDuck. They out that back into the marksmanship ecosystem. To fund matches and ranges.

I do’t understand how the price is too high and/or shouldn’t be set by the current collector market. Then we can criticize any two like Albert different times. Why are kimbers so much more than a rock island?

Well heaven forbid you actually educate yourself about the program before bad-mouthing it. That would be horrible.

Like most other things, the program is not the problem. It's people who take advantage (in an abusive way) who are the problem. On the other hand, I'm glad there are many like you who don't want to take advantage of buying a piece of US martial history thru the CMP at very reasonable prices. It leaves more opportunity for those who can and do appreciate it.

yep. I'm an ass. All good.