Rittenhouse Hates Trump...

or does he?

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...#disqus_thread
https://reason.com/2024/08/02/nobody...=true#comments

"A lot of people are upset that I said I'm going to be writing in Ron Paul for president of the United States, and that is true. I will be writing in Ron Paul." So said Kyle Rittenhouse in a recent video posted to X."

"Unfortunately, Donald Trump had bad advisers, making him bad on the Second Amendment, and that is my issue."

He added, "If you cannot be completely uncompromisable on the Second Amendment, I will not vote for you, and I will write somebody else in. We need champions for the Second Amendment or our rights would be eaten away and eroded each day. I support my decision and I have no takebacks."

Update: About 14 hours after Rittenhouse shared his video explaining his support for Ron Paul, declaring that "you must stand by your principles," he announced that he spoke "with members of the Trump's [sic] team" and that he is now "100% behind Donald Trump."

"Over the past 12 hours, I've had a series of productive conversations with members of the Trump's team, and I am confident he will be the strong ally gun owners need to defend our...rights," Rittenhouse also said. "My comments made last night were ill-informed and unproductive."

The comments on Breitbart say he gets a pass for being an uninformed kid, but this is his only warning.
The comments on Reason say he owes no allegiance to anyone, and Ron Paul will save the nation.

I agree with the Reason crowd. One dumb kid's vote isn't going to affect the election, especially in Dallas, where he lives.

I also doubt the power of his celebrity to have much influence on anyone, much like David Hogg on the other side.

I wonder what Team Trump told him to change his mind? Did they own up to the mistakes made previously- bump stock ban, red flag endorsement- and lay out cogent policy going forward?

Or did they tell him to shut his yap or the gravy train will stop?

I am guessing the latter since Trump denouncing Rittenhouse would kill his "credibility" with most of the MAGA crowd which view him as a hero.

Don't give a crap what this idiot thinks or who is voting for.

He is no intellectual, no 2A warrior, no political figure. Just a stupid young adult who put himself unnecessary into a bad situation and fended off attackers.

If he was smart, he would have asked for his AR back and auction it off for his profit or favorite cause. But nope, allowed it to be destroyed for no reason.

I wish this irrelevant useful idiot would just fade away.

Well, if you are a single issue voter and a member of this forum Trump probably isn't your guy any more than the other side.

I only have one issue. It is the UFO/UAP issue.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

I only have one issue. It is the UFO/UAP issue.

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We knew what they were since at least the early 1980s. That was the some of the most highly classified data in the US Government, for whatever reason. Europe, South America, and even the Soviets were far more open with their data.

Premise 1: They're not "extraterrestrial," they've been here since before we were.

Premise 2: They are not tangible physical craft. They seem to be a 5th dimensional phenomenon.

Premise 3: If they had any interest whatsoever in "taking over the planet" they could've very easily achieved that back in the 1940s when they expressed how pissed off they were about us nuking Japan.

Premise 4: We have never recovered any "debris" or "bodies." Roswell was a PSYOP, as was Project Blue Book (and a myriad of similar Projects).

If you want to understand this a little better, the two books I recommend are "Above Top Secret" by Goode and "Passport to Magonia" by Vallee. Read those, then just put it out of your mind and ignore all the crap on the internet about it. Nobody is being "abducted" and while cattle mutilations are very real they seem to have little, if any, connection to this phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by Clint45

...ignore all the crap on the internet...

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Best advice I have ever heard.

Well that is a lot of disinformation. You might want to read :

"An Introduction to Planetary Defense: A Study of Modern Warfare Applied to Extra-Terrestrial Invasion " by Taylor, et al.

The current political line up is severely lacking in qualifications to lead us in these circumstances. I made a big mistake trusting these types in the past.

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Originally Posted by Clint45

We knew what they were since at least the early 1980s. That was the some of the most highly classified date in the US Government, for whatever reason. Europe, South America, and even the Soviets were far more open with their data.

Premise 1: They're not "extraterrestrial," they've been here since before we were.

Premise 2: They are not tangible physical craft. They seem to be a 5th dimensional phenomenon.

Premise 3: If they had any interest whatsoever in "taking over the planet" they could've very easily achieved that back in the 1940s when they expressed how pissed off they were about us nuking Japan.

Premise 4: We have never recovered any "debris" or "bodies." Roswell was a PSYOP, as was Project Blue Book (and a myriad of similar Projects).

If you want to understand this a little better, the two books I recommend are "Above Top Secret" by Goode and "Passport to Magonia" by Vallee. Read those, then just put it out of your mind and ignore all the crap on the internet about it. Nobody is being "abducted" and while cattle mutilations are very real they seem to have little, if any, connection to this phenomenon.

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Not a big worry BMB.

Humanity has many presumptions that run contrary to good science:
#1: We're the top dog in the universe
#2: Earth is super-special and a wonderful planet
#3: Life either exists only on earth or is rare.
#4: The vast distances of the universe would keep anything from reaching us, because even five light years would take them five years, so nothing ever visits us.
#5: Obviously nothing exists because nothing has talked to us, and we're special, damnit.
#6: All the things that have been here are explainable via religion, or dimensions, or something to preserve the common beliefs in elements 1-5.

The science is showing:
#1: There are over 3,000 incidents a year that cannot be readily explained, and many incidents that are so well-validated in telemetry, signals, and witness observation that they cannot be discounted by any explanation. Tic-tacs being the most famous of them all. Our own government recognizes there is a level of technology that surpasses anything on earth, and it's often around.
#2: Earth lacks all sorts of materials, minerals, alloys, etc., some of which we're aware of existing in e.g. asteroids within our system, and some of which we know we don't have but exist only in theory because we don't have them.
Subnote: Why would anything really want to "take earth" if it's the equivalent of a Detroit ghetto. The places that anything wants to be, they would already be. Some real estate isn't "worth it". These incidents are not new, they've been going on for a very, very long time. If anything wanted earth, they already would've built here. Nothing wants to stay.
#3: Every test for life is essentially positive on every rocky world in our solar system, with the exception of Mercury, which we haven't really looked at. Life is so prevalent in earth that it exists in extreme temperatures, extreme ph, extreme chemicals, and extreme depths. There's really nowhere it isn't on earth. The presumption of "we're the only planet with life that we know of" is an incredible bias that has been invalidated every time we look. The converse statement "We haven't proven that life isn't on EVERY rocky world" is actually just as honest. The truth is most likely somewhere in between, but preliminary evidence is that life is very common "out there'.
#4: People who believe that the universe is vast don't understand time dilation at all. While there are certainly methods of transportation we can't even conceive of, the fact remains even from conventional travel, the faster you go, the shorter the distance becomes (or alternatively, the faster you get there). If you go light speed, you, the traveler, transit the entire breadth of the entire universe in a single moment. That's one of many reasons you can't go light speed. Time only passes for everything else - the universe ages around you in that single blink of a moment. However, fractional light speed conveys the same benefit, fractionally. And more importantly, our science has proven that instead of traveling through space, it's far more ideal - and possible even within our lifetimes - to expand and contract spacetime to "move" your bubble through space itself, exceeding the issues of light-speed travel because you aren't traveling at all - space is. Even our primative asses are not that far off from reaching nearby stars. And certainly we're within a thousand years of reaching all the stars in the milky way if we don't kill ourselves first.
#5: There are so many instances that are clearly superior technology from other species. Sorry, but Parsimony has proven to be the root of our best science; catering to cognitive dissonance has not.
#6: We can't even converse with highly intelligent species on earth in any extent (Elephants, Dolphins, Whales, Octopus, etc.). We're early in our technology journey and already developing many methods of communication that transcend vibrating air. It's retarded to think that other far-more advanced species #1: Give a crap about "taking" with us and #2: That belief stems from the first one in which we think we're something special; and #3: That they are event possible of vibrating air in a way to communicate at all, much less care to. E.g., we are not capable of communicating in the same way that anything else does. If life is endemic to the universe, then any travelers within it have seen an utter-crap-ton of it, and we're incredibly irrelevant to other species.

The big point here, BM, is that yes, shit is out there. But it's also a lot older than us, and ol' Earthy is not special enough for anything to give a damn. Best not to piss whatever they are off (there's been a few attempts that failed dismally, mostly in Russia and Iran), but they are probably about as interested in Humanity as a person driving by on the interstate is in stopping and conversing with a Prairie Dog. Even when that prairie dog flings poop the drivers just ignore it.

Why are there so many events? Who knows, but based on the most well-documented and irrefutable cases, I'd speculate the majority of the time it's simply resources - heavy water or H20 as they are typically water focused or water collecting. Then they depart this detroit gas station on off to their actually desired destination, you know, the equivalent of Cabo or a Florida beach, instead of a burnt out ghetto with shitty winters.

Nobody REALLY wants to live on earth, not even people. Looking at you Musk, and all the volunteers that want to live on a cold, dusty asshole of a planet instead.

I'll sum up that prior post as this:

99% of people's beliefs on this topic are founded on a precarious principle that has not been scientifically validated: That life is rare in the universe.

Lastly, BMB, you don't want to support "cosmic defense". Everything out there currently ignores us, because we aren't special. It's far more desirable to have them continue to do so, than engage in the fantasy that we could engage in conflict with another species.

The thing we don't want to do is rapidly attempt to transition from "prairie dog" on the side of the interstate, to "competition", much less "early threat". Natives meeting British guns would PALE in comparison to the premise that we could successfully point pointy things at other species.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

#4: People who believe that the universe is vast don't understand time dilation at all.

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One of the things that Einstein got wrong was that "the 4th dimension is time." It most certainly is not. The 4th and 5th dimensions are spatial. And, the weird thing is, time runs differently in every dimension. Also, wormholes are mostly bullshit.

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

Well that is a lot of disinformation. You might want to read :

"An Introduction to Planetary Defense: A Study of Modern Warfare Applied to Extra-Terrestrial Invasion " by Taylor, et al.

The current political line up is severely lacking in qualifications to lead us in these circumstances. I made a big mistake trusting these types in the past.

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Speaking of "disinformation," I encourage you to research the origin of two sayings which became very popular in the 1950s: "flying saucers" and "little green men."

Also, the source you cited is, to put it mildly, questionable.

Goode's book is heavily supported by official documents obtained via FOIA and has nearly a thousand footnotes. It mostly covers the level of secrecy this matter was held at, and how astronomers, pilots, sailors, military personnel, and law enforcement officers who officially reported such sightings were strongly urged never to speak of it again, and if they went to the media their career was over and they were accused of psychosis. That was kind of a thing for half a century. My grandfather was a dirgable pilot during WW2, patrolling the Bermuda Triangle for U-boats. He and his copilot were told, off the record, by their commanding officer that if they ever saw anything like that never to put it in a report or put it out over the radio.

Vallee's book explores corrolaries between Hynek's "encounters of the third kind" and similar cross cultural legends and folklore. It's an interesting read.

Our top scientists only have a very generalized idea of what these things are, but as they are no longer deemed a clear and present danger to national security, they are largely ignored. None of our weapons have any notable effect on them, and they can fly directly into the ocean or the side of a mountain at Mach 2 without leaving a trace. I think they're cool, but after researching them for over three decades don't really think about them anymore. It's best not to overthink some things.

I don?t like the term UAP. It was UFO forever now it needs a revamping. It?s like STDs. Now you pick the wrong girl and you get an STI.

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Originally Posted by Clint45

One of the things that Einstein got wrong was that "the 4th dimension is time." It most certainly is not. The 4th and 5th dimensions are spatial. And, the weird thing is, time runs differently in every dimension. Also, wormholes are mostly bullshit.

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Einstein didn't really argue that per se, it is just that time can be mathematically modeled as a 4th dimension to help certain people wrap their minds around it. You can't move through space without moving through time, and moving through space affects your time. Einstein really wasn't arguing that it was THE 4th dimension.

Nobody mentioned wormholes... although we are very junior in our scientific progress. E.g. look at how erroneous the theory of dark matter/energy is to try to fill holes in our mathematical models.

Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.

But again... Humanity's opinion here is founded on an erroneous presumption that life is rare and exotic in the universe, which the multi-dimensionality belief neatly plugs into. It's quite uncomfortable to consider that we're not special in the 3rd dimension, either. But it is a fact that these do travel around earth, using Alcubierre type methods or similar future iterations; and they do some physics defying shit. E.g. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sc...er-2021-06-25/ . I'm not going to dramatically argue someone is wrong in believing some events may be within additional spatial dimensions, but that's a serious cop-out to state they all are. #1 our primitive science already knows it is possible in our own future, and #2 there are TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of very-habitable worlds in the universe. Believing that none of these are simply technologically superior to us is only servicing the bias of humanity - #1, "life is special and doesn't exist outside of earth so everything else must be magic, and life doesn't exist beyond our solar system".

FYI, for anyone that hasn't looked into it, the above link is only a tiny, tiny portion of our encounter(s) with the TicTacs. We have had many encounters with them with our carrier groups over the years, backed by multiple pilots and telemetry including radar and thermal data and dozens of pilots and hundreds of seamen. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of the video of them has been publicly released. I encourage skeptics to read more as it also spawned an impressive amount of government hearings, including abject concern by our gov over WTF we can do to try to match the technology that these "tictacs" have inside of fifty years - which is a very American way to react.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Not a big worry BMB.

Humanity has many presumptions that run contrary to good science:
#1: We're the top dog in the universe
#2: Earth is super-special and a wonderful planet
#3: Life either exists only on earth or is rare.

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"Good science" requires one thing above all else. Observation.

And the observations are that our planet is special. Sure, there are limited dead microbes and "signs of life" on other planets that take a tremendous effort to locate. But nothing has been observed that even comes close to what earth has. As you said, life on earth can be found everywhere, all types, in all environments. That's not true of ANYWHERE else we've found. That's is the definition of special.

So while there may be actual life elsewhere similar to ours, since it hasn't been observed, there is no "good science" yet to support that theory.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.

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Theoretical Physics and Quantum Mechanics are fascinating subjects, which rely heavily upon rather advanced mathematical equations... maybe a tenth of a percent of the population really understands said equations enough to speak on them with authority... and I am not one of those people.

It has been proposed, however, that said equations only apply within 3rd Dimensional Time/Space.

TicTacs are neat! But they are only one of over a dozen subsets of commonly reported UAP (I prefer the term UFO myself, but times change). TicTacs remind me of a slightly more advanced form of the "Foo Fighters" reported by both Allied and Axis pilots during WW2. And, honestly, compared to a few things I've personally witnessed decades ago, not terribly extraordinary.

Saying these phenomena are piloted by a 3D biological xenomorphic "species" seems a bit of a stretch, as we have absolutely zero evidence supporting that hypothesis... but no way to confirm or deny that which is unknown. Our top Physicists have been speculating upon their mode of propulsion for a very long time, and that's also a favored topic of hard Sci Fi authors, but so far outside my field of study I cannot comment on that.

What I can tell you is that at least some UAPs have the ability to literally "teleport" for want of a better word. Back in the late 1970s, our entire Boy Scout troop watched a fairly large bright green oval hovering over us. It shined a green beam of light on the ground near us, then began instantly reappearing in multiple other areas of the sky, hovered for a few seconds, then reappeared somewhere else, like it was demonstrating this ability. We watched it for about an hour and actually started to get bored and began looking away from it. Then it was gone.

Others have been observed changing shape or splitting into separate individual UAPs... difficult to explain that from a 3rd Dimensional perspective.

Best way to describe them is as some form of intangible energy that can appear and disappear from radar. It's not a plasma, but something we haven't discovered yet, and may never discover. If a 4th or 5th Dimensional object appeared in an observable fashion within our 3rd Dimension, we would be unable to determine its true appearance, size, or shape... also, the human eye has its own set of limitations. So what we perceive is not a very good indicator of what it actually is. They'll probably remain a mystery for another half century at least.

So you can report your observations to DOD on a form DD3212...

The Alphabets never answer my messages. Whatever they do, they better form a fusion data center for all the information.

https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDF...02w25Gkw%3D%3D

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

So you can report your observations to DOD on a form DD3212...

The Alphabets never answer my messages. Whatever they do, they better form a fusion data center for all the information.

https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDF...02w25Gkw%3D%3D

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Yeah... that form didn't even exist before April 2024... and "non classified information not cleared for public release" cannot be entered into that form.

And you cannot submit reports anonymously either.

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

or does he?

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...#disqus_thread
https://reason.com/2024/08/02/nobody...=true#comments

"A lot of people are upset that I said I'm going to be writing in Ron Paul for president of the United States, and that is true. I will be writing in Ron Paul." So said Kyle Rittenhouse in a recent video posted to X."

"Unfortunately, Donald Trump had bad advisers, making him bad on the Second Amendment, and that is my issue."

He added, "If you cannot be completely uncompromisable on the Second Amendment, I will not vote for you, and I will write somebody else in. We need champions for the Second Amendment or our rights would be eaten away and eroded each day. I support my decision and I have no takebacks."

Update: About 14 hours after Rittenhouse shared his video explaining his support for Ron Paul, declaring that "you must stand by your principles," he announced that he spoke "with members of the Trump's [sic] team" and that he is now "100% behind Donald Trump."

"Over the past 12 hours, I've had a series of productive conversations with members of the Trump's team, and I am confident he will be the strong ally gun owners need to defend our...rights," Rittenhouse also said. "My comments made last night were ill-informed and unproductive."

The comments on Breitbart say he gets a pass for being an uninformed kid, but this is his only warning.
The comments on Reason say he owes no allegiance to anyone, and Ron Paul will save the nation.

I agree with the Reason crowd. One dumb kid's vote isn't going to affect the election, especially in Dallas, where he lives.

I also doubt the power of his celebrity to have much influence on anyone, much like David Hogg on the other side.

I wonder what Team Trump told him to change his mind? Did they own up to the mistakes made previously- bump stock ban, red flag endorsement- and lay out cogent policy going forward?

Or did they tell him to shut his yap or the gravy train will stop?

I am guessing the latter since Trump denouncing Rittenhouse would kill his "credibility" with most of the MAGA crowd which view him as a hero.

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Probably this. Attachment 97158

But then there is this gem. Attachment 97161

The .gov will probably start installing shot spotter equipment in cities with high gun crime rates. Pueblo has invested in live body camera system for officers linking to a command post. Rittenhouse and Trump both got lucky.

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...ches-in-pueblo

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Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy

The .gov will probably start installing shot spotter equipment in cities with high gun crime rates. Pueblo has invested in live body camera system for officers linking to a command post. Rittenhouse and Trump both got lucky.

https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...ches-in-pueblo

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I have a friend that took a PKM fired 7.62x54r API round to the face, it slid under his nose, did not hit any bone. He had 4 holes and now just has extra dimples high on his cheeks. I do not believe Luck was a factor. Not his day to die.

Isn’t this just Dudley from RMGO trying to tip the scale against Trump? If Trump wins and his picks are even more pro-2A, The Dud-ster is going to be out of a job and out of the revenue stream.

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Probably this. Attachment 97158

But then there is this gem. Attachment 97161

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Sounds like what everyone has been asking for. No new laws, enforce the ones we already have.

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Originally Posted by def90

Sounds like what everyone has been asking for. No new laws, enforce the ones we already have.

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Strick enforcement of unconstitutional gun laws... unconstitutional stop and frisk.

Can't be a 2A supporter and bootlicker at the same time.

Huge abuses of "stop & frisk" in NYC for decades. Cops would literally throw random citizens against the wall to search when they hadn't even been suspected of any crime.

Trump doesn't have a foundation in beliefs. He engages in black/white think and will shift wherever he thinks he can get fanbois and attaboys.

In the right circumstance, he would ban far more than bump stocks. He's not a true conservative, his party is only about Trump.

All in all, he has the potential to be THE most dangerous risk to gun rights, nationally. In HUGE part because if Trump supports something like an AR ban, all the sudden 90% of his Maga followers feel obligated to support it to. "Well, Trump raises some good points, and I'd never disagree that he's a genius, we probably should put all AR's in the registry (or whatever the case may be)".

Kind of how we got the 86 NFA act. Only worse. Is Trump there today? No. But trust me, he doesn't have a political foundation or core beliefs; his personality type is driven by ego and drama (they need high stimulation because they don't feel higher emotions normally). In the absence of drama, they create it, and they will shift wherever their ego is most inflated without any care or concern to prior positions. If 100 cameras are on him at a press conference in the aftermath and site of a significant mass shooting, you're could REALLY get an AR ban under Trump, where ironically, you'd never get it under a (D).

ETA: PS: This is also why you get "mean tweets".

He isn't anything special, he does everything that anyone else with this personality disorder does.

Spotted a clinical Narcissist from a mile away, I walked into the room, I said, look there's a narcissist. Sad! Even China, great people by the way, they know that you can predict him, everything he does, predictable.

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All in all, he has the potential to be THE most dangerous risk to gun rights, nationally. In HUGE part because if Trump supports something like an AR ban, all the sudden 90% of his Maga followers feel obligated to support it to. "Well, Trump raises some good points, and I'd never disagree that he's a genius, we probably should put all AR's in the registry (or whatever the case may be)".

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I never thought Trump was anti abortion... but the Fundamental Evangelicals have a HUGE lobby and are willing to throw about a billion into his campaign if he says the magic words.

There are well over 20 million AR style rifles estimated to be in private hands, impossible to ban those, but it would be possible to ban further production and force FFLs to sell any stock of those rifles to the government.

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

In HUGE part because if Trump supports something like an AR ban, all the sudden 90% of his Maga followers feel obligated to support it to. "Well, Trump raises some good points, and I'd never disagree that he's a genius, we probably should put all AR's in the registry (or whatever the case may be)".

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I disagree.

I don't think 90% of his diehard supporters would place personality above the Constitution.

Some would of course, the same easily led, low IQ boobs that are too lazy, uninformed or stupid to make up their own minds on anything and will do whatever they are told.

For many, the 2nd Amendment is one of their primary reasons for voting, and there would be a huge upheaval in the Republican party if Trump tried that. There would be no repercussions for him politically since he will be a lame duck.

He could potentially be removed from office if the Republicans were sufficiently outraged and Vance would likely undo whatever Trump did to institute a registry/ban in the 1st place, since there are not enough votes in Congress to pass such a bill.