Rittenhouse Hates Trump...

[FoxtArt]

Not a big worry BMB.

Humanity has many presumptions that run contrary to good science:
#1: We're the top dog in the universe
#2: Earth is super-special and a wonderful planet
#3: Life either exists only on earth or is rare.
#4: The vast distances of the universe would keep anything from reaching us, because even five light years would take them five years, so nothing ever visits us.
#5: Obviously nothing exists because nothing has talked to us, and we're special, damnit.
#6: All the things that have been here are explainable via religion, or dimensions, or something to preserve the common beliefs in elements 1-5.

The science is showing:
#1: There are over 3,000 incidents a year that cannot be readily explained, and many incidents that are so well-validated in telemetry, signals, and witness observation that they cannot be discounted by any explanation. Tic-tacs being the most famous of them all. Our own government recognizes there is a level of technology that surpasses anything on earth, and it's often around.
#2: Earth lacks all sorts of materials, minerals, alloys, etc., some of which we're aware of existing in e.g. asteroids within our system, and some of which we know we don't have but exist only in theory because we don't have them.
Subnote: Why would anything really want to "take earth" if it's the equivalent of a Detroit ghetto. The places that anything wants to be, they would already be. Some real estate isn't "worth it". These incidents are not new, they've been going on for a very, very long time. If anything wanted earth, they already would've built here. Nothing wants to stay.
#3: Every test for life is essentially positive on every rocky world in our solar system, with the exception of Mercury, which we haven't really looked at. Life is so prevalent in earth that it exists in extreme temperatures, extreme ph, extreme chemicals, and extreme depths. There's really nowhere it isn't on earth. The presumption of "we're the only planet with life that we know of" is an incredible bias that has been invalidated every time we look. The converse statement "We haven't proven that life isn't on EVERY rocky world" is actually just as honest. The truth is most likely somewhere in between, but preliminary evidence is that life is very common "out there'.
#4: People who believe that the universe is vast don't understand time dilation at all. While there are certainly methods of transportation we can't even conceive of, the fact remains even from conventional travel, the faster you go, the shorter the distance becomes (or alternatively, the faster you get there). If you go light speed, you, the traveler, transit the entire breadth of the entire universe in a single moment. That's one of many reasons you can't go light speed. Time only passes for everything else - the universe ages around you in that single blink of a moment. However, fractional light speed conveys the same benefit, fractionally. And more importantly, our science has proven that instead of traveling through space, it's far more ideal - and possible even within our lifetimes - to expand and contract spacetime to "move" your bubble through space itself, exceeding the issues of light-speed travel because you aren't traveling at all - space is. Even our primative asses are not that far off from reaching nearby stars. And certainly we're within a thousand years of reaching all the stars in the milky way if we don't kill ourselves first.
#5: There are so many instances that are clearly superior technology from other species. Sorry, but Parsimony has proven to be the root of our best science; catering to cognitive dissonance has not.
#6: We can't even converse with highly intelligent species on earth in any extent (Elephants, Dolphins, Whales, Octopus, etc.). We're early in our technology journey and already developing many methods of communication that transcend vibrating air. It's retarded to think that other far-more advanced species #1: Give a crap about "taking" with us and #2: That belief stems from the first one in which we think we're something special; and #3: That they are event possible of vibrating air in a way to communicate at all, much less care to. E.g., we are not capable of communicating in the same way that anything else does. If life is endemic to the universe, then any travelers within it have seen an utter-crap-ton of it, and we're incredibly irrelevant to other species.

The big point here, BM, is that yes, shit is out there. But it's also a lot older than us, and ol' Earthy is not special enough for anything to give a damn. Best not to piss whatever they are off (there's been a few attempts that failed dismally, mostly in Russia and Iran), but they are probably about as interested in Humanity as a person driving by on the interstate is in stopping and conversing with a Prairie Dog. Even when that prairie dog flings poop the drivers just ignore it.

Why are there so many events? Who knows, but based on the most well-documented and irrefutable cases, I'd speculate the majority of the time it's simply resources - heavy water or H20 as they are typically water focused or water collecting. Then they depart this detroit gas station on off to their actually desired destination, you know, the equivalent of Cabo or a Florida beach, instead of a burnt out ghetto with shitty winters.

Nobody REALLY wants to live on earth, not even people. Looking at you Musk, and all the volunteers that want to live on a cold, dusty asshole of a planet instead.

[Clint45]

#4: People who believe that the universe is vast don't understand time dilation at all.

One of the things that Einstein got wrong was that "the 4th dimension is time." It most certainly is not. The 4th and 5th dimensions are spatial. And, the weird thing is, time runs differently in every dimension. Also, wormholes are mostly bullshit.

[FoxtArt]

One of the things that Einstein got wrong was that "the 4th dimension is time." It most certainly is not. The 4th and 5th dimensions are spatial. And, the weird thing is, time runs differently in every dimension. Also, wormholes are mostly bullshit.

Einstein didn't really argue that per se, it is just that time can be mathematically modeled as a 4th dimension to help certain people wrap their minds around it. You can't move through space without moving through time, and moving through space affects your time. Einstein really wasn't arguing that it was THE 4th dimension.

Nobody mentioned wormholes... although we are very junior in our scientific progress. E.g. look at how erroneous the theory of dark matter/energy is to try to fill holes in our mathematical models.

Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.

But again... Humanity's opinion here is founded on an erroneous presumption that life is rare and exotic in the universe, which the multi-dimensionality belief neatly plugs into. It's quite uncomfortable to consider that we're not special in the 3rd dimension, either. But it is a fact that these do travel around earth, using Alcubierre type methods or similar future iterations; and they do some physics defying shit. E.g. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sc...er-2021-06-25/ . I'm not going to dramatically argue someone is wrong in believing some events may be within additional spatial dimensions, but that's a serious cop-out to state they all are. #1 our primitive science already knows it is possible in our own future, and #2 there are TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of very-habitable worlds in the universe. Believing that none of these are simply technologically superior to us is only servicing the bias of humanity - #1, "life is special and doesn't exist outside of earth so everything else must be magic, and life doesn't exist beyond our solar system".

FYI, for anyone that hasn't looked into it, the above link is only a tiny, tiny portion of our encounter(s) with the TicTacs. We have had many encounters with them with our carrier groups over the years, backed by multiple pilots and telemetry including radar and thermal data and dozens of pilots and hundreds of seamen. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of the video of them has been publicly released. I encourage skeptics to read more as it also spawned an impressive amount of government hearings, including abject concern by our gov over WTF we can do to try to match the technology that these "tictacs" have inside of fifty years - which is a very American way to react.

[Clint45]

Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.

Theoretical Physics and Quantum Mechanics are fascinating subjects, which rely heavily upon rather advanced mathematical equations... maybe a tenth of a percent of the population really understands said equations enough to speak on them with authority... and I am not one of those people.

It has been proposed, however, that said equations only apply within 3rd Dimensional Time/Space.

TicTacs are neat! But they are only one of over a dozen subsets of commonly reported UAP (I prefer the term UFO myself, but times change). TicTacs remind me of a slightly more advanced form of the "Foo Fighters" reported by both Allied and Axis pilots during WW2. And, honestly, compared to a few things I've personally witnessed decades ago, not terribly extraordinary.

Saying these phenomena are piloted by a 3D biological xenomorphic "species" seems a bit of a stretch, as we have absolutely zero evidence supporting that hypothesis... but no way to confirm or deny that which is unknown. Our top Physicists have been speculating upon their mode of propulsion for a very long time, and that's also a favored topic of hard Sci Fi authors, but so far outside my field of study I cannot comment on that.

What I can tell you is that at least some UAPs have the ability to literally "teleport" for want of a better word. Back in the late 1970s, our entire Boy Scout troop watched a fairly large bright green oval hovering over us. It shined a green beam of light on the ground near us, then began instantly reappearing in multiple other areas of the sky, hovered for a few seconds, then reappeared somewhere else, like it was demonstrating this ability. We watched it for about an hour and actually started to get bored and began looking away from it. Then it was gone.

Others have been observed changing shape or splitting into separate individual UAPs... difficult to explain that from a 3rd Dimensional perspective.

Best way to describe them is as some form of intangible energy that can appear and disappear from radar. It's not a plasma, but something we haven't discovered yet, and may never discover. If a 4th or 5th Dimensional object appeared in an observable fashion within our 3rd Dimension, we would be unable to determine its true appearance, size, or shape... also, the human eye has its own set of limitations. So what we perceive is not a very good indicator of what it actually is. They'll probably remain a mystery for another half century at least.

[hollohas]

Not a big worry BMB.

Humanity has many presumptions that run contrary to good science:
#1: We're the top dog in the universe
#2: Earth is super-special and a wonderful planet
#3: Life either exists only on earth or is rare.

"Good science" requires one thing above all else. Observation.

And the observations are that our planet is special. Sure, there are limited dead microbes and "signs of life" on other planets that take a tremendous effort to locate. But nothing has been observed that even comes close to what earth has. As you said, life on earth can be found everywhere, all types, in all environments. That's not true of ANYWHERE else we've found. That's is the definition of special.

So while there may be actual life elsewhere similar to ours, since it hasn't been observed, there is no "good science" yet to support that theory.