Col. Allen West tells it as is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQm...layer_embedded
I grew up in a muslim country, most libs simply don't get it what we are fighting against. Watch how Col. West answers this question.
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Col. Allen West tells it as is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQm...layer_embedded
I grew up in a muslim country, most libs simply don't get it what we are fighting against. Watch how Col. West answers this question.
I wish Col. West was America's first black president :(
This is not West but its pretty good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Naw, according to the libs he's all wrong, the really haven't been fighting all those years, and they love everyone. They are just misunderstood.
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Great videos.
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Originally Posted by Zundfolge
3 Cheers for Colonel Allen West !
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
I can and I will.
Because I am an 'internet tough guy'.
HOOSIER,
I highly recommend you to spend some times learning more about the basic of Islam. Many thought like you. I grew up in a very moderate Islamic country, and we were treated as 'infidels' or non muslim by the so called peaceful muslims.
Comparing any of the religions is simply comparing an apple to orange.
And by your own word, those who are not 'very religious' and do not follow the Qur'an word by word, then in Islam he/she is not islam. Unlike any other religions who does not condemn a non believer, Islam does.
ALL BRANCHES of Islam preach the same when it comes to infidels and how to spread out Islam. Each sect has different interpretation on after life and how to practice islam (in such technical way e.g. how to pray etc).
I am not comparing Christianity to Islam, nor am I interested in arguing who's better than the other. I have seen the facts with my own eyes. I have seen family being forced to circumsize a new born to declare him a muslim, I have seen 'moderate' preachers who might not tell his followers to kill infidels, but certainly support or not against those who kill. To tell me otherwise base on your 'common sense' is simply irrelevant to me.
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Terrible example. Old Testament is old. Christ broke it and gave (Christians) a new covenant with God. Some refer to this as the New Testament. No?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
M888 is right as it pertains to all sects of the Islamic religion. They all see conversion as a necessary requirement. Hoosier is right in that not all sects are as radical in theirs views as to what is allowed (right and wrong) to bring this conversion of the infidel. The Arab Sunni Hambali muslim are the more radical sub-sect of thinking about this concept in the Islamic faith. Not all sub-sects of the Sunni nor the Shia sides of Islam are ultra radical in this thinking. There are a small minority of sub-sects of Muslims in the world still enveloping societal laws and norms into their versions of Shira law. Unfortunately, Hambali has spread like a plague over the last 100 years, and has exploded with the support of the Saud family support and financing of madrasas all over the world.
IMO, all non-Islamic being subservient to the Islamic in a Muslim country has been consistant across the board in the countries I've been in. BUT, lets be real clear about what the Islamic beliefs of what constitutes an infidel are before it thrown around in this thread like a dead cat. An infidel is a person who doesn't believe in 'God'. All of the sons-of-Abraham believe in the one true god, and are NOT labeled as infidels according to the Koran. Pegans are infidels, and any other use of the work in reference to Islamic beliefs is incorrect. Infidels have the opportunity to convert or die according to the Koran. Jews and Christians have to pay to live in a Muslim country and remain subservient to the Muslims while there (also according to the Koran).
The Col is correct in many ways. The Koran (and other books of guidance in the Islamic faith) relate the WORLD converted to Islam. Muslims, due mostly to lack of external opinions contradicting anything from the religion in their societies, believe these texts as gospel truth. Even when they say they don't, it's so engrained into their culture, they simply cannot believe any other possible truth. This is where the extremism comes from in the Islamic faith. No other points of view are allowed, contradictions to the faith are crushed and immediately amputated from their society, and diversity is seen as a contradiction.
Eventually, Islam will change or perish. History consistantly shows cultures that fail to diversify and revere isolation die. We just need to financially and physically isolate them from relevency IMO, and they will die off in their own due time.
Krasni responded to your comments as I intended to respond before I got the chance. I'm no ordained minister and perhaps Pistol Packing Preacher can correct me if/where I'm off base here, but Christians are under the New covenant which is all spelled out in the New Testament. THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE. We still have the Old Testament (which is essentially - but not exactly - the Jewish Torah) more as a way for us to know God better and know what he has expected of us and how it has remained consistent throughout time, even with a new covenant. Perhaps, if you were addressing a Jew, I could see you making your arguement, but for Christians it simply holds no water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
Yes, there are many different sects of Muslims with very diverse teachings and beliefs. What we need to understand of their culture is that they are all fuedal. Look at their religion throughout time. When Islamics didn't have outsiders (non-Muslims) to war against, they fought with those of differring sects, or flavors, of Islam. You don't even need to go back in history more than 25 years to get a huge view of this. Iranian Muslims fighting Iraqi Muslims because they did not believe the same way. Even within Iraq itself you've had the differing sects warring against the other sects to the point of attempting genocide - all because "you don't belief the way I do".
It is my personal belief that the fighting won't stop until the last two Muslims on earth - who have seen fit to eradicate everyone else on the planet - have it out and one kills the other. Only then will there be peace. Fighting and killing is so deeply ingrained into their cultures, customs, beliefs, and ideologies that they have no higher desire than to fight and kill.
Theirs IS NOT a peaceful religion, there are just those who present a more peaceful front to that religion. In the end it's convert, or die.
My point wasn't to do with actual teachings, but that if you just picked up a Bible and read it as the only basis for how you interpret what Christians are, you'd have a much different opinion than reality. In other words, if you read their holy books (as is suggested) and then assume that all of them follow just that, you'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
If you want to know what various sects believe, a better place to start would be to listen to their "sermons" and see what they're really saying. I believe that to be true regardless of the faith. For example, Rev. Wright is a "christian" but another Christian who listens to what he says might walk away with another point of view.
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Islam has been steadily among the fastest growing religions in the past 2000 years, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
Lots of younger Muslims born and raised in Western societies are clashing with their elders about the level of freedom they want, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the point you're trying to make here, but it sounds to me like you're saying that even though we have a new covenant with God, the Old Testament still shows us what God expects of us; including all of the things that according to the video Zundfolge linked to we would be surprised to learn are in the Koran.Quote:
Originally Posted by theGinsue
Yes, and no.Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
It is my understanding that we study the OT to understand God better and to learn that He wants us to know Him and worship Him. No, because the "how" for accomplishing the first part is different in the NT than it was in the OT. Many of the rules no longer apply.
Just my take.
Hence the stoning and murders of the younger generation even here in US, no? Even some converting muslims from the western world are known to fight his/her own fellow countrymen in the name of Islam. Where have you been?Quote:
Originally Posted by jake
The Inca, Myan, and many others lasted a hell of a lot longer than the current Islamicly influenced countries. Then this one day, this big boat thingee with a few dozen weird looking guys piled out and everything went to shit in a heartbeat. There are tons of examples of this throughout ancient cultures and modern cultures. Diversify or perish.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
Meanwhile the rest of us who live in this ion is being assimilated before the weird guys in the big boat thingy arrives! [Rant1]Quote:
Originally Posted by SA Friday
Hoosier did a good job of misdirecting here, your all talking about someone other then the enemy now.
Christians and Jews or even Wicken's did not attack America on 9/11 it was Muslims in the name of Islam and Mohammad.
They are our enemy and they have been the enemy of free people the world over for a very long time.
They have spread death and destruction through Africia and Asia and terrorize Europe to the point they are afraid to exercise free speech because they will and are being killed for it.
Sure some small portion is peacefull and tollerant of others but the majority are not and if you dont understand that, go live in the above mentioned locations and see how nice they are, but dont try to convince us how sweet they are and how we should accept them, they dont accept us any place on earth. We want to continue to live free and to do that, islam must stay the hell out of America.
[M2] to mohammad and his followers of destruction and intolerance.
Hmmm. Very well put Jim. I agree. Thank you.
Islam started about 610. So it can only have been growing for the last 1400 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
I always understood that they claimed the liniage of Abraham's first son, Ishmael (the one from his wifes maidservant Hagar). The Arabs, and thusly Islam, came from the the line of Ishmaelites.
Just the way I learned it.
Having dinner and watching Louie.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB888
My point is, younger Muslims who are growing up in the West are pushing back against the strict interpretation of their religion. Of course their parents are pushing back too, but evolution is a gradual process. Christianity didn't go from the Inquisition to where it is today overnight. It had to start somewhere.
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Originally Posted by jim02
Fixed it for you...
Lets not be offending the minority Religions.
Its bad enough that there are so few that they are all being lumped in together just so they count.
found this for you guys
http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/bl...cs/rel_pie.jpg
The Jews seem pretty sparse to be as targeted/successful as they are.
They were God's chosen people for a very long time, and therefore hated by everyone else who were following the other guy.
as crazy as it sounds I am actually packed in with the Primal-Indigenous at a whopping 6%!
we are on the way UP!
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
And here we go....
Most Christians DO disregard the "laws" of the Old Testament because they are now invalid. The Laws were rules to live by in order to be sinless deemed "holy" enough to stand by God. No human would ever be able to accomplish that a live a perfect life. Hence God sent his Son, Jesus Christ, to live that life and die on the cross taking our "sins" and offering eternal salvation.
Now, we are able to sin and be forgiven... the great conundrum of free will.
That is why there is the NEW Testament. We used to have to sacrfice anuimals and only priests could enter the Temples to beg for forgiveness for the general populations sins. When Jesus died, the curtains surrounding teh temple altar were torn. People don't have to sacrifice or worship in temples anymore. Anyone, anywhere now has the ability to go directly to God. The Old Testament is simply now part of the cannon and an historical record. As far as the daughter for the maid, Exodus is part of the Old Testmaent.
Over 98% of families have Bibles... but I doubt even 20% read them.
Sigh. I'm trying to make a point unrelated to the actual teaching of the bible. Allow me to try this again:
If you read Dianetics by L. Ron Hubbard, and assume that by reading this book you understand all of Scientology, and that everyone who calls themself a Scientologist will always act exactly according to that book, you're making the same misguided pre-judgement of Scientologists as the first video is advocating about Islam.
Now, because I haven't read the Qur'ran or any of the other books Col West suggests, I hit up a Muslim I know who also happens to be an active AR shooter. Here is his take on (I think mostly the second video)
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This video clip is the perspective of an extremist. I really don't feel like going further than that.
Muslims should not pick and choose, yes, but this fellow seems to be picking and choosing an awful not and citing abrogation as his justification. Abrogation is for verses like "don't drink if you are praying" followed by "don't drink at all". This was a specific means of weaning the booze-happy pagan arabs away from liquor w/o resulting in a city full of people in the throws of delirium tremens. When the Qur'an tells us to leave people who won't believe be that is a general statement regarding non believers that are around us. When it says "go forth and kill the nonbeliever" that is in the context of a war that was going on at a specific point in time, with specific nonbelievers and specific battles that are mentioned in the Qur'an.
This guy also implys that Shari'ah law is in the Qur'an and the Qur'an alone. This is incorrect. Shari'ah is extracted from The Qur'an, yes, but also The Ahadith; a collection of orally transmitted traditions attributed to The Prophet, his companions, and God. These passages make up the bulk of what we identify as Shari'ah. Like anything else the exegetical process is prone to error, since exegesis is a human endeavor.
Additionally, Shari'ah is not imposed on society. Whenever this happens it makes things worse for everyone except those in power. Shari'ah is intended to be an emergent behavior, something that emanates forth from the behavior of the individual, then the family, then the society, then the nation. If these conditions can't be met Muslims are commanded to adhere to the laws of the land in which they live, so long as those laws don't command them to sin.
I should have watched this last night, now I am going to be pissed off all day. :)
And speaking of AR15's:
http://i.imgur.com/VA31Y.jpg
Okay, thanks Hoosier for clearing that up. I always hear about people using the Old Testmaent to call so and so a hypocrit or that Christians are wrong or blah, blah, blah... For all intensive purposes, with the introduction of the New Testament, the Old testament and hte Laws is now just a historical context book.
Ok, we can wrap up this entire discussion now! The Taiwainese animators have covered all the bases. You guys will love the secret muslim Obama with a burning heart in the oval office.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WO_XOOxn7c
Hilarious
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hahahah... [ROFL1]
lol, can anyone translate?
I think the v/o actually presents a more coherent and informed summary of the whole situation without translation :DQuote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
I didn't hear a voice over... just taiwainese writing and a taiwainese speaker...
I believe that the main reason that the muslims who commit violence in the name of Islam against the U.S., truly believe that the U.S. is a staunch supporter of Israel's policy of imperialism and genocide against the Palistianain people. And until the U.S. stops sending money and arms to Israel ;and gets tough on Israel's colonialism,invasions into Lebanon ,the blockcading of the Gaza Strip,and the refusal of sincere peace talks;the U.S. will be perceived as "infidels". The word "infidels" came from the Crusader's ,who battled the Muslim's a long time ago;who called the muslim's "infidels".Quote:
Originally Posted by jim02
I thought somebody told me this is a free country?And for order for that to be true;one of the ways is to practice religious tolerance.
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