Yeah, you. Americans. The UN can help you, though.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11...est=latestnews
Isn't it time we told the UN to pack their shit and leave? Seriously.
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Yeah, you. Americans. The UN can help you, though.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11...est=latestnews
Isn't it time we told the UN to pack their shit and leave? Seriously.
I personally think the UN is a joke, but I have several acquintaces who range from it's a system of the "New World Order" and that it's an "honorable" organization who cares for humans.... lol....
Anyone (not a citizen and living in a different country) "demanding" that the US do something should be laughed at and ignored. We are our own country.
we need to leave the UN.
The UN can kiss my ass.
What I'd like to see is a B-52 level the UN while it is in session, apologies to any good guys that might work there but greater good and all that. What I'm going to see is more capitulation from our glorious leader.
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Originally Posted by BigBear
The U.N. is not my friend!
^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by roberth
The ends justify the means in some cases.
It's in NYC, how bad could the collateral damage be? [LOL]Quote:
Originally Posted by xwisex
To Whom It May Concern (U.N.),
http://www.staticbrain.com/images/bushMiddleFinger.jpg
Fuck You Very Much,
The United States of America
Help, help, I'm bein' repressed....
[Shake]
(Well, maybe not yet..)
Why do we host the UN in our country anyways? I've never figured that part out....
I know, you think a place so filled with criminals, human rights abusers, and the like would not be tolerated as the meeting place of such a dignified group of righteous individuals...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
Hahahahahaha, +1 Ts12000!!!!
Listening to an outline of this UN meeting and who will pitch the case against the US.
AFLCIO to name one. Left organizations all the way and all American organizations.
Makes me want to puke.
UN can KMA!
so wait a second here, let me make sure I Get this right.Quote:
Russia urged the U.S. to abolish the death penalty. Cuba and Iran called on Washington to close Guantanamo prison and investigate alleged torture by its troops abroad. Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, told the U.S. it must better promote religious tolerance. Mexico complained that racial profiling had become a common practice in some U.S. states.
- Russia Cuba and Iran,whom frequently kill or imprison their citizens for political differences, wants us to abolishes the death penalty and close GITMO.
- Indonesia, where you can be killed for any reason at all (religious, reacial, ethnic), wants religious tolerance.
- Mexico, where there are NO Immigration rights at all, and just about as few human rights,wants us to allow immigration.
Touch the Constitution, try to go around it, and we go to war. I Do NOT mean laser guided politically correct shit either Bub.Quote:
-- All these treaties and conventions should be “self-executing,” meaning that no subsequent U.S. government action should be required for them to go into effect—regardless of the U.S. constitutional separation of powers, and the separation of powers between federal and state governments
Are you kidding me?
if I Submitted a document from the National conference of White Lawyers and the Ku Klux Klan Center for self Determination (No such thing) I Would be run out as a racist. Why do we tolerate this hypocrisy?Quote:
The repression paper was authored by the National Conference of Black Lawyers and the Malcolm X Center for Self Determination, neither of which are listed among USHRN’s member organizations.
Small message from me to ALL of them.
Shut the FUCK up, clean up your own house before you put your nose in ours.
Signed,
Byte
Because we aspire to by this, "America is a shining city upon a hill whose beacon light guides freedom-loving people everywhere"Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
Because we know that even a shitty political compromise beats sending our kids off to die in foreign lands.
Because we sought to spread our ideals of peace and prosperity with the world.
I'm terribly disappointed that we've strayed so far of course. Seems I can't go a day without finding a thread that starts off with "level the building". Lethal force: It's a last resort. Everyone here should be particularly clear on that fact.
Yes, other country will try and pick the splinter out of our eye. You cannot expect us to criticize other countries (Iran, China, Russia) and not have them respond. I much prefer Ahmejinidad coming here and talking smack than having to send more US troops into Iran. There's some slim chance the change will come to Iran, even if we have to simply wait for younger generations to come to power.
It seems there was a time when other countries aspired to be what we were; and we're slowly becoming a cautionary tale. Participation in the U.N. is one of the (relatively small number of) things I disagree with Ron Paul about.
H.
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Originally Posted by BigBear
Because the greatest con artist of the 20th century lobbied for it,, A man so far to the left, He made Karl Marx look like a money happy capitalist,,, Franklin Deleno Roosevelt...
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Yahoo!! Buy this man a beer!!! [Beer]
I understand the sentiments... but when does the shining light on a hill for all to see become just another part of the slum because obvisouly rhetoric does nothing but "compromise" and we keep turning more and more to the left? Cause it sure seems we are heading that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
What ever happened to, “Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checked by failure...than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
I guess nowadays its, "Far better to compromise, to pussyfoot around, even though it never accomplishes anything..."
Also, I'm not sure how familiar you are with history but once upon a time there was something like the UN called the League of Nations. They shared your views on compromise. It didn't work out.
A glorious triumph need not be slaughtering your enemies. It's far better to find an amicable agreement. I don't care if you call it "pussyfoot", I prefer to think of it as treating others as I would like to be treated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anton
Of course I'm familiar with the League of Nations, it's the precursor to the U.N. Formed after WWI with the goal of preventing war, it failed to prevent the rise of Hitler and WWII. It did that because it had no no bite. The U.N. at least has some capability to enforce trade sanctions, and call upon member states to enact war. Indeed, the invasion of Iraq was done under U.N. auspices, otherwise it would have been illegal.
Now, I'm not saying the UN should have rights over a sovereign nation. I don't think anyone really is suggesting that. Even the tightest of working groups (e.g. Euro Zone) maintain the absolute right of sovereignity for each nation state. There is, however, an obvious roll for a body like the U.N. to try and facilitate peace between sovereign nations. And to imply that there's no use for the UN is to suggest there's no point to diplomacy.
My two cents. I never knew how much of a libtard I was until I came here, apparently.
H.
That sounds all fine and dandy except that most of the world's dictators throughout history have only used 'amicable agreements' and 'diplomacy' to further their own ends. Much like how Iran and other tinpot dictatorships currently use the UN as a tool to spread their messages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoosier
Its ironic that the areas where the UN has been most effective have always involved using force against sovereign nations (Serbia, Iraq). While the areas where it has been least effective have seen extreme limitations placed on the use force (peacekeeping in general, particularly in Africa...).
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Originally Posted by Hoosier
I think what they are saying is that regardless of the sovereignty of any state or constitutional requirement that treaties and conventions shall be imposed.Quote:
-- All these treaties and conventions should be “self-executing,” meaning that no subsequent U.S. government action should be required for them to go into effect—regardless of the U.S. constitutional separation of powers, and the separation of powers between federal and state governments
So essentially they are saying that if the U.N. ratified a treaty to remove small arms from the populous any and all governments and States "should be required for them to go into effect."
So yeah I think that IS what they are saying
You're citing Fox, though... the actual document (which Fox links to) saysQuote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
The US Federal government (and every other government) does not permit the UN to pass laws for it. This is spin on the truth to make it appear to be something it just isn't. No nation is going to permit that, not even the commiest of pinko bastards is down for getting on the one world nation train.Quote:
USHRN indicated that while the
Constitution incorporates ratified international treaties, treaties are non-self-executing. The US issued a declaration that the federal government will only implement the treaties to the extent that it “exercises jurisdiction” over the treaty provision, raising federalism as a
barrier to implementation.
The argument I'm hearing generally is, the UN is OK when it's a coalition of ass-kicking, and it sucks when it's a bunch of worthless blue-hats raping entire villages in Africa. I can understand that. Just remember it has it's uses in addition to it's costs, and on the whole has been vastly beneficial to the US for decades.
TL;DR If Kruchev beating his shoe on the podium helped prevent the cold war at all, it's worth it.
H.
Dear UN,
Oooooh, suck on my chocolate salty balls..put em in your mouth and suck em!
Love, Chef
What infuriates me today with the UN, is who is arguing against the U.S. We have Unions and every far left organization bitching to the UN about our atrocities....please....new world order f-ing commies.
Is there not language within our Constitution or such that states:" No treaty shall usurp the Constitution" or similar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I once heard that the true test of someone's intelligence is how much they agree with you...Don't know about that, but I'm with you, Marlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marlin
Otherwise, I have to second the B-52 idea. All in favor?
I think the UN needs to shut up, get out of the USA, and let us handle our diplomatic business on our own. Going to war should be our choice. Whether you see it or not, they are about world disarmament. Look at the statues in front of the UN headquarters in New York City. A gun barrel twisted into a pretzel, and a bunch of firearms crushed into a giant cube. Don't tell me they aren't for disarmament.
Heh, heh...looks like he's been to Bailey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molon_Labe-1775
It seems like when you get a bunch of "rational” “intelligent” “educated,” and “informed” people together, all they seem to do, ever is come up with good ways to waste money! Honestly! Why are Iran, Cuba, Russia, etc. wasting their breath!
Telling the US and Israel to clean up their act is a waste of money. Paying those stupid diplomats, paying for the building, paying for the paper, etc. Hell, it’s a waste to leave the lights on. Bunch of jerks causing global warming!
Want Israel needs to clean up its human rights! STOP ATTACKING THEM! Don’t waste your time telling me it’s their fault, they have been under attack from day one and how many statements are there about “whipping the great evil off the earth.” I don’t ever recall an Israeli press release about “purging Iran from this earth!”
As to the US, I don’t even have to justify it, that’s non-sense, even Europe can’t say anything, they're a bunch of racists and if they claim they aren’t and they’re so “progressive” ask them about their immigration “problem” from Turkey or Morocco.
As to death penalty, some people shouldn’t live. You do the awful things some people do to women and children and you forfeit your right to breathe, period. I find than people who disagree generally are educated on a few parts of the issue, but totally ignorant to seeing a child killed by child abuse or a woman beaten with a phone and left to die for 3 days tied up in her house. (I saw both of these during my time in EMS) Rehabilitate? You can’t make a man out of an animal that does things like that.
Go ahead, call me a cave man, I’d probably take pride in it.
IMHO[Rant1]
We should just tell whatever country that wants us to eliminate the death penalty, that we don't have the room for those dangerous criminals at our place, so we'll be sending them their way.
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Originally Posted by Stuart
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