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I was down there Friday, and saw some yahoos holding a big sign that said something like "no more helicopters at Ft. Carson". WTF is up with that? Buncha sissies all butt-hurt about the lovely sound of our Army's birds? Army base without helos - whoever heard of such nonsense.
I dunno, haven't seen that.
probably the same people that complain about the flyovers for airshows and falcons games
Til' they get stuck on the side of a mountain...then they are crying for the Army to rescue them!
I haven't seen this either, but we used to get a group of nuns (Dominican Catholic diocese) that would protest the use of Space as a weapon @ Peterson. I haven't heard of them coming back since U.S. Space Command moved to Offutt AFB, NE. I know they were arrested a couple of times for some nonsense they were pulling during their protests (they even spilled blood and pounded on a jet with hammers once). More recently they got arrested for breaking into a missile site near Greeley and pounding on the silo cap and rails with hammers. They were in prison last I heard.
Some folks will never understand that we NEED the military to protect our way of life, our values and freedoms, and our right to worship (or not) as we choose. Any others will never get the fact that the military can't continue to do what they do without training, even with the helocopters.
I have not seen that one as well. I know there was an article in the paper some time ago.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/cars...gade-says.html
They want to bring an Aviation BDE to Carson, don't see where they are going to put them. There are already too many people there as it is, and that's with half of them deployed.
And there already is a bunch of Helicopters there at any given time. People are always crying that the city got rid of the police coppers and those guys were the loudest.
Should have seen the place 10 years ago. It was a ghost town. After DS1 the levels got smaller under Clinton. Then we stopped catering to the retired crowd around 98 or so. by 2000 it was a very somber mood with all the BRAC stuff going on. 9/11 changed everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordanls19
If people want to bitch about too much military in and around Colorado Springs, maybe those yahoos should have reconsidered moving to a town that does not have 5 major military installations...
Freedom hurts my ears...
Hope they bitch about how hot it is in hell when they get there.
Boulder. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
I hope the military does do the pinion canyon expansion, and brings the extra helicopter brigade in, them boys deserve the proper places to train for our freedom, those people who are bitching only get to do so through the sacrifices our boys made years before, and they should be thankful, and grateful.
I love the sound of Helicopters in the morning... [Coffee]
There does seem to be more of them along the hwy115 side of Carson lately- just an observation... they've had complaints in the past when the Apaches appear to be acquiring targets on the hwy... ducked in behind a ridge-line. I find it amusing.
I don't understand the mentality of people that would move to an area, and then expect the area to conform to THEM... just self-serving people, I guess.
DING DING DING Wiener![Pirate]Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoser
They should move along the flight line near DIA.
^^^ this. The same mentality that people have, who move into an area heavily populated by wildlife, and then bitch when dear are eating their tulips, and bears are getting into their trash. You see that really tall bridge just down the street? Walk to it, and jump off of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
Personally, I would LOVE to get the chance to watch some helo training, especially gunnery! Helos have always fascinated me.
A couple of weeks ago, I heard a helo making several very low passes over our house and around the neighborhood, figured it was the cops looking for somebody or some construction bigwigs looking over a building site or whatever.
Turns out, the elementary school right behind us was getting a demonstration by an Army or NG Kiowa helo. They were flying low and fast all around the area, just wringing the bird out for the kiddies. All the kids and teachers were out on the playground, and the Kiowa finally came in to land, settled down on the sports field right in front of them, did a slow 360*, then landed and shut down. It was pretty cool, and the kids were going wild! We need more of that in this day and age. Flush some of the Liberal propaganda BS out of their little minds.
The protester is probably pissed because Carson is moving in a new Combat Aviation Brigade. There's shit tons of construction right now up here near Butts Army Airfield. Building new headquarters buildings, motorpools, barracks, a VERY nice chow hall with a drive-through window, etc... they havent even started on all the new hangars yet... Speaking of gunnery, our Apache's are just wrapping up their gunnery today. Lots of rockets, hellfires and 30mm being fired over the last couple weeks. It has been fun watching but the work schedule sucks! LOL
[Coffee]
The Colorado Springs PD had to sell their two helo's so the only ones flying right now in that area are military. I've watched them fly between Pueblo and Springs pretty regularly.
They are building like mad down by the airfield at Carson, with a number of brand spanking new buildings similar to what they built along the banana belt for the battalions. I know a couple are for and paid for by the Colo National Guard.
There is room for the bodies, but they will need to develop the infrastructure more to accomodate.
I don't have a lot of sympathy (Okay, none) for idiots who move in near a military base or airport and then piss and moan about noise. In almost every instance, the installation was there long before they were. In the case of DIA, look how those idiot developers built up subdivisions not far from it after it opened. And if they plus up a base, those idiots ought to be ecstatic about the extra $$$ that will bring to the area. That's a lot of $ that helps everyone in the area, even if it's indirectly.
Those folks should be counting their blessings that they're hearing those helos, or jets, or anything else coming and going from those places. But ignorance does have a habit of making people do stupid things. [Bang]
Sounds like...freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
I grew up in Enid, OK, and the biggest asset the town has is Vance AFB and it's pilot training program. That's what keeps that town alive. We lived right under the most-used final approach, and sure, it was noisy. But I used to love watching the planes! Esp. during the 60's-70's Vietnam era, when there was all kinds of cool stuff flying in frequently. The noise, you learn to live with it. Wasn't that bad with the T37's and T38's, but a couple of Phantoms coming in was a different story.
i dont get it?
complaining about the sound of helicopters from the base-mmmkay
thats like the people from queens in ny complaining about airtrafic from laguardia-senseless!!
beats the sound of gang thugs and there noise!!
I would prefer to hear the ground rumbling from a brigade of tanks on excercise.... but, heli's and birds definitely come in a close second!
I think Hosers remark was right on the money. If you don't like it, move.
+1, we get complaints all the time for plane traffic especially from castle rock, when our airport there was nothing anywhere close now these ppl bitch bc of the airplane noise, well don't move close to an airport dumb assQuote:
Originally Posted by Troublco
I'm around a mile from the South end of Ft. Carson- not quite close enough to hear tanks, but I can hear light machine gun fire- the 25 or 30mm, and the howitzers really stand out...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBear
What I found amusing was on Saturday my dogs started barking at something (I couldn't hear anything- maybe they smelled something)... they eventually calmed down- and then the neighbor had about a half dozen guys over and they started pistol practice... no reaction from the dogs... screeching kids in the yard and gunfire at the neighbor's don't set them off, apparently
We must be in the same neighborhood. Indoors, the only thing I hear is the artillery rounds landing. When I'm outside I can occasionally hear things I'm guessing are 25 to 30mm rounds. Sometimes I can hear things that I think are small-caliber from the PWSA range. Occasionally see military helo's, but much more common are the C-130's.Quote:
Originally Posted by 68Charger
There was talk of adding a gate to Ft. Carson, one of the base commanders came down to Pueblo West to discuss it. The gate would be near exit 110 on I-25. It was related to the new Air unit moving in and the new rail-road spur into the base coming off the coal plant on I-25 near Pikes Peak Raceway.
The additional helo unit would probably benefit me by raising house values in the area. Plus I love spotting and ID'ing aircraft of all types. I imagine if I lived in an area where they were taking off/landing frequently, I would have a different opinion.
H.