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Cairo mob brutally assaulted CBS reporter Lara Logan
USA Today, Feb 15 2011
"Logan, who was reporting for 60 Minutes, was surrounded by more than 200 people "whipped into frenzy." She then became separated from her TV crew and security and then suffered a "brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating." She was saved by a group of women and about 20 Egyptian soldiers,..."
I Agree that it was wrong and it is a horrible thing.
I Do wish it had not happened to her.
I will have to go with the old adage "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes"
Violent revolution AGAINST a pro-American leader.... and you chose to stay?
umm, yeah
The time to go was at the first sign of trouble.
Agreed. I don't like to hear about this but her dumbass didn't listen when they said Americans need to leave! What did her and anderson cooper think they were special because they are press? they should have hired better security!Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
meh...who cares. don't send a blond in the middle of a bunch of people who think women are below them...FAR below them.
don't send a douche like cooper out there and put them in the front lines unless they are fully aware of what can happen to them.
I half wonder if it is some kind of a ploy to top coopers claim. I never saw any footage on the articles I have read today on yahoo and aol. I am sure they were recording.
I don't really care for the media any more. I get sick of watching BS on the news all the time, making up whatever they can to get a story. it is almost a constant depression watching the news. If people watch Nancy Grace all day every day I wouldn't be surprised to see them go on a rampage or suicidal.
Fox News also had a reporter and cameraman seriously injured in the mob, but I didn't hear about it all over the other news outlets. Unlike Cooper who didn't really get injured and it was all over every headline. No one but Fox reported on their guy. I saw the Fox News guy (Greg Palcot maybe?) on tv and he was messed up. Bandages all over his face and scalp, face bruised and swollen. Got his ass beat.
It maybe dumb, but that's their job. Really no different than a reporter who hangs out with an infantry unit. It's dangerous but people want to see this shit on their TV during dinner at night. I'm willing to bet they get paid pretty good.
They should have thought twice about a woman reporter over there though. If there is one thing those people hate more than Americans it is American women. She didn't stand a chance and she and her employer should have known better. Oops.
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Originally Posted by sniper7
I know someone who does that and it drives me crazy. I'd go over and see the same damn story for months at a time.
Yeah, i'll just sound like an ass again on this thread, so i'll leave it at "I hope she gets well soon"
"What did we learn?"
That sucks
but when you stick around in an unstable country that considers women as property and generally dislikes America/Americans...
I wouldn't be anywhere near there unarmed and even not while armed. They will have more people to throw at you than you have ammunition.
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Originally Posted by weirjf
Hope she recovers soon and I realize that this is her job, but really?
To me, this is no different that those Americans going into Mexican border towns and getting killed, Journalists going into N. Korea and getting captured, those dumb-@$$ed kids who decided to hike along the Iraq/Iran border and were captured by the Iranians.
I have ZERO pity for any of them. American passports should have a standard disclaimer in the front indicating that if you are dumb enough to put yourself in potential (however remote) harms way, no one in the U.S. is going to come to bail you out.
Like Byte said, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
I agree that stupid is as stupid does.
but this was a woman doing her job, and I don't blame her for her rape.
the blame rests with the egyptians.
If I stand in the middle of a swarm of angry hornets I'd be a fool to not expect to get stung. People aren't as nice as hornets.
There are a couple of good write-ups about her. Sounds like shes dedicated to the job and based on where she's been, is well aware of the dangers of being a foreign correspondent in war zones.
The latest I read is that she is with family and "vows" to be back to work within a couple weeks...
Sounds like a strong woman who understands the risks and willing to risk it for what she believes in...
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Originally Posted by Elhuero
she wasn't pulling babies from a burning Building, She wasn't wielding a great sword against an oppressive regime.
She knowing went there to sensationalize the VIOLENT non-democratic overthrow of a president.
with every job there are inherent risks, we have to balance these risks not only with reward but also against our moral compass. otherwise we would all be pimps and drug dealers.... or media sensationalists.
I think what happened is horrible, the Egyptians responsible are wrong for doing that. But I Also know that while I was in Kuwait, when shit got hairy, I Had the ready bag with plane tickets and I always had 3 routes out.
I would classify this as Needlessly placing ones self in harms way for selfish gain.
One question...is this chick complaining about what happened to her? Is she all up in arms asking for an apology from Egypt and suing the pants off everyone for what happened to her? I do not know. But, if not and she simply says she'll be back to work soon like an earlier post said, then it's a non-issue. She did her job, knew it was dangerous, got hurt doing it and isn't bitching about it.
I'm not going to praise her for going to a dangerous place to do her job nor am I going to ridicule her for going to a dangerous place to do her job. But I will say good for her for manning up and not bitching about a situation she put herself in. Many other people in this country would sue their employer for letting them go there and never work a day again living off the settlement.
If she does sue, then we can call her every name in the book.
What's wrong with that? As long as her actions didn't hurt someone else and she takes the responsibility her putting herself in harms way then what's the issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
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Originally Posted by hollohas
Im Tired of this being drug through the streets and media circuits like some sort of banner.
I have had to unsubscribe to many news feeds because I am tired of hearing about her.
There is a benefit dinner planned somewhere for this shit to cover her expenses? It's like some sort of bleeding heart parade.
No one is crying 1/2 as many tears for the Civilians and DOD Employees that DIE everyday supporting OEF and OIF. That's a Reason to be in Harms way with reasonable safety precautions.
This Lady goes into a known volatile situation AGAINST the advice of the State department solely to get a story of a violent Islamic revolution.
this is why women should also not be in combat units. not because they cant, because they shouldnt.
remember the rescue they had for the airforce chick? they put countless lives at risk for her. would they have done that for just a regular joe? maybe. but the risk of rape is amplified for women in bad places.
She made an unfortunate choice. Putting herself in that situation should have been a no-brainer. That said, best wishes to her.
Next time, send Nancy Grace and Geraldo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graves
With the removal of DADT, maybe we are counting on this fear in our enemies now? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck
"Don't get lost behind American lines, Adbul! Trevor or Barry might cornhole ya real good!!!"
Idiot, she had it coming. If you do not understand the culture you should not be there.
WE treat journalists as sacrosanct, as do most of the western nations. She mistakenly applied that viewpoint in a culture that does not embrace that ideal. Known risk ignored. I hope she has a full recovery, and learns from her mistake.
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
She is on inside edition this morning.
shock, sympathy, outrage
yadda yadda yadda.
My favorite is the people calling in to radio shows being "outraged" that her network didn't pony up for security for her. Security against a raging mob? dumb dumb dumb.
she had security
her security should have shot them all
On the program I was listening to, the host was arguing with the guest about whether she had "security," or just a "crew." Either way, the idea is near worthless. I laughed at the caller who painted the picture that there exists some magically "security" that can just surround people and keep them safe from anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elhuero
This was right after they interviewed the guy who wrote the pro-gun article for the Times. I wanted to call in and ask the host and guest if they thought that perhaps the reporter would have fared better if she had a Glock 19 with an "extended capacity" magazine.
To me it's not much different than watching the clips of TV weathermen/women getting out there in the tornado, barely able to stand, wind whipping their hair and their high-tech rain gear. Those "journalists" put themselves out there for the "story". If you run thru enough fires (like Lara Logan seems to like to do), eventually you're gonna get burned. From the news reports, she seems to have taken it like a man.
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Originally Posted by Irving
come on now... security also protected JFk...wait a second, bad example[Bang]
Sounds like there may be some overseas jobs opening up in the PSC/PMC world. I'm gonna have to talk to some buddies....
There are so many wrong directions this conversation could go from here, But I am just going to walk away.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakerd
sorry- reeeally didn't mean it quite like that.
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Open goal....take the shot....[UZI]
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