What will it take to get these people to realize that they are committing felonies by doing this?[Rant2]
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Originally Posted by Free Republic
What will it take to get these people to realize that they are committing felonies by doing this?[Rant2]
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Originally Posted by Free Republic
take your pulitzer and GTFO.
if I was president I go deport him personally.
He's probably a registered Democrat, so he gets a free pass and a Get Out Of Jail card. Plus he works for the liberal press.....and the POTUS is an illegal too, so WTF.....
I don't imagine they'll be acted upon like they should be as laid out in law (imagine that)
A little light reading from FAIR:
http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?pag...s_iv_ctrl=1007
I would be fully surprised if they are fined a cent or if that reporter was deported
Not surprised at all. Hope he gets what's coming
If you read the full article at the post it gets "worse".....
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/ma...immigrant.html
Is it a felony to lie on an I-9 ?
He's done it multiple times... by his own admission ....
He's used falsified documents multiple times....
But nothing will ever come of it...
He's in the media, and gay.
A double cover to keep him in the US and outta jail.
Nothing will happen to him. And it'll fuel a lot of rage that illegals are going out into national newspapers to proudly proclaim they have broken the law, and that nothing will be done of it.
Besides the false statements on government forms, violations of 18 USC 1001, I wonder if any of his current or former employers would be liable to civil or criminal penalties for knowingly employing an illegal alien. There may be identity theft along with social security fraud as well.
The worst part of that article is the comments; Courageous, admirable, epic, etc. I almost puked. I hope the people writing those comments are the type who become weary of the effort it takes to vote next time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by clublights
Agreed..........Quote:
Originally Posted by TS12000
I wonder if some sob story about how my mother used to beat me and I was raised for a majority of my childhood by my grandparents ( both true actually) would get me outta robbing their houses...... some how I doubt it.
Its habit, so I have to say:Quote:
Originally Posted by TS12000
FAIR was founded by radical enviros (John Tanton chief among them) whose real agenda is to stop population growth. You will note from FAIR and FAIR's sister-organization (also founded by Tanton) the Center for Immigration Studies explicitly Marxist economic analysis (ie more people in a country means less wealth for everyone, an application of the Marxist "pie" view of a national economy and patently false.)
I don't see anything grossly incorrect with that particular page linked, but I am always wary of citing anything from either FAIR or CIS (or any other org Tanton is involved in) as, everyone knows, enviros are not at all above outright lies to advance their agenda.
Its funny how the whole immigration issue has made such strange bedfellows. Its very funny to see rabid conservatives cite and praise people who have, in other contexts, advocated for enforced population control measures and worked for the Sierra Club on their population control subcommittee (tho he left when he realized the Sierra Club wasn't radical enough for him.)
There's also a strong argument that Tanton is racist, which would not be surprising as I've yet to meet a really thorough Marxist who isn't also a dyed in the wool racist. Biological determinism does a lot to add credence to racist ideology in that way.
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Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
why is it when we want someone to follow the fucking law we are called racist?
I'm a Native American, Married to a Fillipina. Hardly Klan material.
Take your guilt diversion somewhere else.
I dont give a rats ass if you are as black as the ace of Spades, white as a ghost or anywhere in between, I had to do the fucking paperwork and pay the fees, what the fuck makes anyone any better than me?... Because you played the race card?
Take that bullshit somewhere else.
Your argument is as bad if not worse than the Obamanauts.
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Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
I guess I missed where I called you racist.
I called John Tanton a racist because he's a biological determinist and a marxist who has said some pretty shady things in public about hispanics in general, which I give more weight because of those beliefs.
I like how the instant I call a spade a spade everyone runs out like I'm calling them a racist. Are you John Tanton? No? Then chill out.
Illegal is illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Even if Tanton is a racist (which he is fully entitled to be, this is still a free country right?), TWO WRONGS DON"T MAKE A RIGHT!
Illegal immigrants need to start following the rules.
Our house, our rules or GTFO.
Aside from Pancho and Byte giving their opinions; personally I think the Sierra Club is a group of d-bags that need to realize what modern economic movement is going on and stop picketing the US Petroleum Industry (which paid for pretty much everything I had growing up- mother works in Petro-information). But I digress, back to the topic at hand, we need a more steadfast and strict enforcement of laws in this country. Laws are written to be followed and enforced, and punish those who break them. Now I can agree with granting leniency in situations (like not getting a ticket for going 5+ the speed limit) but that's all based on those who enforce making a judgement call on behalf of public safety and order. When someone who is clearly an illegal is working for a US company, has falsified documents, AND illegally gained access to one of the most controlled an safeguarded homes in America, and doesn't get punished for the crimes, that just infuriates me beyond comprehension. Then on top of it, the company is not punished for hiring him, and knowingly aided him in committing crimes, looked the other way with knowledge of his illegal activity, and they are not punished! BULLSHIT! This is where I draw the line. Someone needs to be held accountable for these crimes, someone needs to be punished. It's to the point where we have a clear cut case of many not doing the job that they are being paid to do and when an everyday citizen contemplates standing up for what is right and takes it upon themselves to expose and punish where our government has failed, we have already lost our nation, our beliefs, and our way. Humpty dumpty has fallen off the wall, if we don't find someone who can fix him fast then shame on us for failing to maintain our country in the regard that we should. [Rant1] Mr. Obama, in the words of Donald Trump: "YOU'RE F***ING FIRED!"
That is all I have to say on that matter.
FAIR= Good publication.
Numbers USA= Good grass roots organization
Minutemen Civil Defense Corp= Good grass roots organization. Good people.
Tea Party Movement = See above
Illegal is a crime, not a race.
I think this speaks volumes for the stellar security and vetting process at the WH though.........
I really don't understand the people that agree with this reporter's point of view. Amnesty for illegal immigrants? Eleven million of them?! That's far more than the nearly eight million CITIZENS incarcerated in this country. What would these same people say if we gave them their freedom and handed out free passes to the next three million to go through our justice system? Sadly, the response would probably be much the same.
The only immigration reform we need in this country is a tightening of our borders and more stringent enforcement of our existing laws. People like this reporter should be afraid of being outed, not proudly proclaiming their illegal status in national publications. America is not his "home" as he claimed, it's my home and he makes me sick.
Thank you, I couldn't agree more. True the recent legal immigrants can use that same BS excuse that at one point our grandparents or greatgrandparents etc. were once here on shaky legal standing, but they did it the right way. They didn't wade through a river or jump over a fence and just put up camp and stay here without following the legal system we have in place. Furthermore, many of them don't speak the language of the land and refuse to. This makes me wonder how much longer some of us have to wait until somebody in a position of power comes to our aid. Or do we have to do it ourselves? It's not racism when undocumented people with questionable legal standing (not sure how many criminals cross the border each day) and possible ties to extremist or terrorist orgs come here illegally and we demand something be done. I'm in the process of notifying my elected (lol) representatives that something needs to be done before this well is impossible to cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by summitskier
I wonder how many on here agree with me that there is inadequate enforcement of our immigration laws and border security, inadequate enforcement of "hablo ingles" and people like this rotten dispicable leech going unpunished is just plain wrong and someone in power needs to be fired? How many think that the system we have in place isn't working, and those running said system are doing a piss-poor job?
Here's the letter I sent to Mike Coffman, my representative:
Hon. Mr. Coffman,
I do not expect this to be answered directly, but I would like to make you and other elected representatives aware of something that is beginning to become quite an alarming issue among your constituents. I read an article recently about a Washington Post Reporter who is in our country illegally, and has been for some time. He recently announced his status and is running his own campaign to aid in granting amnesty for himself and others like him. The link to the news story is: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2738366/posts
I would like to inform you that this issue is very important to me and my family, and something needs to be done about this. Is someone, whoever enforces our federal immigration laws, asleep at the wheel? How can these people, who aren't even here legally, slip passed some of our strongest layers of security (like the White House) and then get away with it? How can they be allowed to work illegally for large, legitimate businesses and those businesses continue to operate as they are? Who is responsible for enforcing these laws? Why does it seem to me like some or all of those responsible aren't doing their jobs? I would greatly appreciate some sort of effort, not just for the security of our nation, in which I gladly spent some of the best years of my life defending, but also for our comfort, to enforce, secure, and defend America from those who willfully break our laws. I'm deeply concerned that this issue isn't getting any attention, and something should happen soon or we will continue to slip down a slope that I fear will be to difficult to get back up. And as a side note, I was raised to believe that in America we speak English. Why is it that we continue to bend to the will of those who immigrate here and refuse to employ the language of this nation? I appreciate all the hard work you do for our great state and thank you for your service (militarily and as our representative) to our great nation.
No, No one directly called me a racist... but I Stand firm that illegal immigration is just that, ILLEGAL. And anytime anyone takes that stance the race card is dropped like a fucking Badge.
Its not called "Sort-of ok" immigration...
Illegal = in violation of current standing laws and or regulations.
Regardless of Race, creed, color, religious or ethnic fucking background.
Follow the law, I did, you can too.
on a side note:
and yes, the sierra club could vanish and I would not shed a tear. Personally, I don't care if John Tanton is a swastika wearing anti-semitic hood wearing Klansman, as long as he follows the laws and has a burn permit when he sets crosses on fire, then good for him.
Great thing about this country, we dont have to agree on everything to speak out against Crime.
+1, thank you for that Byte! Jesus, how hard is it, and not just for John Q. Public, but for those in government to understand what the word ILLEGAL means! What these people (and I hesitate to use even that word to describe them) are doing is breaking and entering on a very grand scale. They are breaking and entering into an entire COUNTRY! Anyone else see this as a big finger from them to us legal citizens?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
X2 brother!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
All laws should be followed without protest, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byte Stryke
Let's say they banned guns and the law said to turn your's in...its the law, right? Must obey. Put aside constitutional concerns for a moment - the next dem president packs the supreme court with his cronies and the latest jurisprudence on the 2nd amendment is reversed.
I know a lot of people here would disobey such a law and mysteriously "lose" their offending weapons or have sold them in private sales years before the law was passed. I don't blame them. To simply shout that the law is the law and has to be obeyed - without any look into whether its a just or reasonable law - is the height of unthinking idiocy.
To try to end the discussion with "its the law, so there," is basically an appeal to authority - the appeal that the government's laws are without flaw and the ultimate moral authority. I don't adhere to either belief, and I certainly wouldn't associate with anyone who does.
Current immigration laws are holdovers from a frankly racist past (before you whine about the race card, the original immigration restrictions, passed specifically to keep the racial makeup of the United States relatively stable, so go bitch somewhere else) and Marxist economics (where more people = less pie to go around.) Add in a healthy bit of fear of other cultures that is a recurring cycle in America and you have the right mix for the immigration restrictions we've had going for a while now.
These laws are absurd, on the level of laws outlawing guns, and I'm not sorry that I'm not at all excited that the law is being broken.
I also wouldn't rat you out if you kept your guns after they were made illegal. Go figure, I don't just salute the law and obey.
The main thing here is not "the law is the law and we must obey," otherwise police wouldn't be permitted to use discretion as to weather or not to cite or arrest people for certain violations. But there are some laws that MUST be enforced, and immigration is one of them. The #1 way the US Dept. of Homeland Security states terrorists and other criminals make it into America is via illegal immigration thru the porous border between the US and Mexico. I'm not saying all laws are right, I'm stating that there are laws out there that DEMAND enforcement more than others... Alabama has a law on it's books still that states you cannot transport liquor across county lines, that shouldn't be enforced or punished nearly as much as Murder or grand larceny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
Sorry to get everyone's panties in a twist over where I google some basic info from. Was just trying to point out some of the potential penalties and standing laws for those of us with a less than thorough knowledge of the subject.
And as far as Pancho's last post, right when you said put aside constitutional concerns for a moment is where you veered into la-la land. I may not agree with certain laws but that doesn't mean I'll go break them as a form of protest. You can't just put aside the constitution and say one thing is equal to the other, they aren't. One is an inalienable right, the other is a group of people thinking they are entitled to something because they've curtailed the system for a while.
stupid comparison.
don't shit on the law because you dont like it, change it.
you want to know what overly relaxed immigration policies get you?
Go ask my ancestors
/out
[Bang]
Jesus Christ. Panco never said anything about what this reporter was doing, he only pointed out that the source for this information was shady. It is exactly the same thing as when someone posts and article from Infowars and people point out the source.
yeah Because this isnt all over the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43499929...gal-immigrant/
http://www.google.com/search?q=news+...ient=firefox-a
That's besides the point. He was just pointing out that one particular source is shady. I know how much everyone loves to hate on Pancho, but in this one instance, I don't think he deserves to be yelled at.
Yep, you're right, current immigration quotas are entirely racist against non-Mexicans, particularly Europeans and Africans. Mexicans comprised between 15 and 22.2 percent of legal immigrants between 2007 and 2009, more than the the number of immigrants from the entire continent of Africa (5.2-8.1%).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho Villa
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...tz_fr_2009.pdf
But even that isn't enough for supremacists like yourself.
So if a valid story being run by hundreds of valid sources is picked up by a shady source it instantly becomes invalid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Irving
Stuving, are you eating your tumbler media again?
[ROFL1]
I never said the story was invalid. No one did.