DOJ-another one to fry your A$$!

Seeing how our illustrious Department of Justice has nothing better to do..................
They see fit to raid the Gibson Guitar Company.
Why?
Undocumented workers?
No.
Unlawful business practices?
No.
Tax fraud?
No.

For using unfinished Indian (the dot, not the feather) Rosewood. Apparently under Indian law it is unlawful to use Indian Rosewood in a product unless it is finished by Indian labor. I sh!t you not.

The DOJ refuses to enforce US law and the Constitution, they prosecute States for attempting to uphold the Constitution and US law, they aid and abet in unlawful firearm transactions and unlawful transport of firearms to a foreign country that is interpreted as an act of war by that foreign country but by God they will bust the ass of an American company providing a quality product, jobs and economic stability.
For a foreign countries fu#ked up law!

Eric Holder, you and your boss are 1st class bottom feeding scum. And those are the kindest things I can say.

Now expect to see Gibson jobs "outsourced" to India.......................

now that is some real bs

WTF? It sometimes seems some of those cheesedicks in DC are more concerned with other countries laws than our freedoms... Holder is perhaps the 3rd worst person in .gov right now- right behind Obeyme and Biden.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

WTF? It sometimes seems some of those cheesedicks in DC are more concerned with other countries laws than our freedoms

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Snap out of it Ronin! How does it "seem" that this is the case when it is clearly evident.





Jus sayin...............

More bullshit from our wonderful gov. protecting others beacuse we might offend them.

As I keep saying until the people wake up and say we have had enough we will continue down the road to hell.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Snap out of it Ronin! How does it "seem" that this is the case when it is clearly evident.





Jus sayin...............

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My fault... Correction, these cheesedicks are more concerned with other country's laws than our own country's unalienable rights! Well Mr. Government official who gives more of a damn about not offending some asian country than our freedom: [AR15]

WOW, WTF. Everything I hear about our government is depressing. How have we let ourselves fall into this mess?

Do you have a source for this?

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Originally Posted by al-x

How have we let ourselves fall into this mess?

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Because the generations have changed. The majority of people under 35 are of the "entitlement" mentality and are more concerned with what is in it for THEM then what is best for the whole. They vote.
The assclowns they vote in are the same assclowns that protested Vietnam and "the Man" back in the 60's. They are now exacting their revenge on the capitalistic corporate structure and we all suffer.




Sources-I am on da Blackberry so cut and paste is beyond me but Fox News, Wall Street Journal and Daily Mail all are carrying it.
GoogleFu it!

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Because the generations have changed. The majority of people under 35 are of the "entitlement" mentality and are more concerned with what is in it for THEM then what is best for the whole. They vote.
The assclowns they vote in are the same assclowns that protested Vietnam and "the Man" back in the 60's. They are now exacting their revenge on the capitalistic corporate structure and we all suffer.

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So BP, does that mean I'm one of the rare under 35's that thinks of my country before myself? And dammit we're losing this country to these "I want to get shit without working for it!" I hate how people have become so selfish lately, but in the same respect are so inclined to giving away their hard earned money to those that don't put in any work.

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Do you have a source for this?

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Gibson has a press release about it: http://www.gibson.com/absolutenm/tem...=1340&zoneid=6

DOJ seems to think they have run afoul of the Lacey Act which requires you abide by all the exporting country's laws regarding the import of plant products. While agree there are much bigger things to worry about, there is a law about this. Some how I suspect Gibson is on someone's shit list and this is just some punitive action.

We each accept this abuse, waiting for 'someone else' to start the game, afraid to face evil on our own. Perhaps we should each, as individuals, draw our own line - not in the sand, but in steel-reinforced concrete. If someone else, or several others, choose to join in, so much the better. We are all going to die anyway, why not die for a good cause - resist!

Who knows; it just might turn out OK - the colonials came out as individuals and small groups on the 19th of April and chased the Brits back to Boston after the Brits finally took it a bit too far. When the dust finally settled, they had a country of their own.

Perhaps it is time to emulate our ancestors; hold the moral high ground - don't start anything, but decisively finish anything the thug-swarm starts.

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Originally Posted by Ronin13

So BP, does that mean I'm one of the rare under 35's that thinks of my country before myself? And dammit we're losing this country to these "I want to get shit without working for it!" I hate how people have become so selfish lately, but in the same respect are so inclined to giving away their hard earned money to those that don't put in any work.

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I think you answered your own question Grasshopper.........................

"Gibson has a press release about it: http://www.gibson.com/absolutenm/tem...=1340&zoneid=6

DOJ seems to think they have run afoul of the Lacey Act which requires you abide by all the exporting country's laws regarding the import of plant products. While agree there are much bigger things to worry about, there is a statute, masquerading as law about this. Some how I suspect Gibson is on someone's shit list and this is just some punitive action."

Fixed it...

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Originally Posted by Milt

We each accept this abuse, waiting for 'someone else' to start the game, afraid to face evil on our own. Perhaps we should each, as individuals, draw our own line - not in the sand, but in steel-reinforced concrete. If someone else, or several others, choose to join in, so much the better. We are all going to die anyway, why not die for a good cause - resist!

Who knows; it just might turn out OK - the colonials came out as individuals and small groups on the 19th of April and chased the Brits back to Boston after the Brits finally took it a bit too far. When the dust finally settled, they had a country of their own.

Perhaps it is time to emulate our ancestors; hold the moral high ground - don't start anything, but decisively finish anything the thug-swarm starts.

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This! Well said Milt! Jefferson put it best: "Every 25 years or so government needs to be reminded that this country was founded on revolution and that spirit still exists in ever American."

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

I think you answered your own question Grasshopper.........................

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It was rhetorical, sensei.

Heard that the trees were protected but were cut down in India by illegal pakistan midgets riding sacred brahamas.

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Originally Posted by BPTactical

Because the generations have changed. The majority of people under 35 are of the "entitlement" mentality and are more concerned with what is in it for THEM then what is best for the whole. They vote.
The assclowns they vote in are the same assclowns that protested Vietnam and "the Man" back in the 60's. They are now exacting their revenge on the capitalistic corporate structure and we all suffer.




Sources-I am on da Blackberry so cut and paste is beyond me but Fox News, Wall Street Journal and Daily Mail all are carrying it.
GoogleFu it!

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Older people hate the idea of entitlements, until it comes time to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, etc...

"Older people hate the idea of entitlements, until it comes time to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, etc..."

Unfortunately, this seems to be true - most of my fellow old farts have joined the FSA (free shit army). We do need to put our money where our mouths are - I have chosen (many years ago) to avoid being 'part of the problem'. I have not taken stolen money (anything derived from taxes) since I quit my government 'job' back in the early '70s.

To those who say, "I paid in and I want my 'retirement." the only answer is, "Too bad; the money is gone." The 'trust fund' was raided by the Clinton crew in the '90s to 'balance' the budget. Any current payments come out of new taxes. The fact that a thief took your stuff does NOT give you a valid claim to your neighbor's stuff...

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Originally Posted by Milt

"Older people hate the idea of entitlements, until it comes time to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, etc..."

Unfortunately, this seems to be true - most of my fellow old farts have joined the FSA (free shit army). We do need to put our money where our mouths are - I have chosen (many years ago) to avoid being 'part of the problem'. I have not taken stolen money (anything derived from taxes) since I quit my government 'job' back in the early '70s.

To those who say, "I paid in and I want my 'retirement." the only answer is, "Too bad; the money is gone." The 'trust fund' was raided by the Clinton crew in the '90s to 'balance' the budget. Any current payments come out of new taxes. The fact that a thief took your stuff does NOT give you a valid claim to your neighbor's stuff...

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My question is, if SS is gone, then why are we still paying it?

Because anarchy would result if so many generations were told that SS was bone dry and there was no money left to give out.

What really fires my rocket is our laws are unilateral. They are to apply equally to all people within the boundaries of our borders and territories.
And yet they are enforced under subjection and directly in our faces as if to flaunt it.
That is the real crime.


Malfeasance of office and duties falls under "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"

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Originally Posted by Ridge

Because anarchy would result if so many generations were told that SS was bone dry and there was no money left to give out.

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But in just a few short years there will be no money left to give out... but shh the sheep don't need to hear that.

As I see it there are only a few ways to rectify this nation. None of them are easy, none of them are quick fixes, and to be quite honest none of them have more than the slightest chance of succeeding.

1.Take back the youth -

As stated previously the generations that are breaching adulthood or will in the coming years are entitlement babies. I will even throw myself into this fire because I know it's true. I do not work as hard to get as much as my parents' generation did. I try, because the idea of success through tough means wasn't lost on me. However, the barrage from the other side where everything is free and and the world lives in harmony has a death grip on my generation. To right the ship and produce Americans we can be proud of again would take so much work it would be impossible to post without going into bible length detail. I'll try to give the sparknotes: invade the school system that is run by and large by the most radical leftists and marxists to change how we think, make parents realize school is not the place where 100% of knowledge comes from and to take an interest in their children's education and success. Make kids proud again, proud to work, proud to succeed, proud to take part in the political system, proud to be a part of their communities.

2.Stop recognizing the government as legitimate

This doesn't mean the same thing as talking shit about Obama's vacation schedule. I mean a popular upheaval against the government's tactics the same way that was done by them damn hippies. Starve the beast might be the best way to put it. Stop paying taxes, stop taking pensions, stop working for government entities. Don't give them anything and take no handouts. Do things that I am sure many of you do anyway, like vote, call your representatives, and be active in telling the government what they ARE going to do. When they don't, be out calling for recalls, impeachments, and voting them out of office.

3. Real revolution


I am by no means calling for one. I wouldn't partake in a revolution or any act of one now. It simply is not the time. It does have to be mentioned though because it is the end game of a rogue government and people who will not support it. No one gives you freedom or liberty, you take them and guard them.

I guess I'm saying have fun while it lasts because I don't think any of the shit stated above is ever going to happen, and even if it does those movements will be snuffed out like a match in a hurricane. [Beer] have a nice Friday everyone.

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Originally Posted by Milt

a statute, masquerading as law
Fixed it...

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The Law is defined and comprised of statutes, aka the codes. What are you trying to imply?

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Heard that the trees were protected but were cut down in India by illegal pakistan midgets riding sacred brahamas.

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Well, I heard it was illegal Pakistan brahamas riding sacred midgets.

Ah yet another reason "free trade" amongst nations doesn't work. I'm sure in some cock eyed free trade clause we have to enforce such an absurd law. Funny thing those free trade agreements, we're the only ones enforcing the rules. I'm sure india doesn't give 2 poos about any of our statutes. End these insane policies and defend America.

Social Security btw is not an entitlement for those who actually pay in. Supplemental Social Security is absolute bull, it takes away from all those that payed in. If you've fallen on the safety net you should be on a welfare program that is subject to cuts, not on SS. Complete BS.[Rant1]

That's funny, gambling online sure is legal in other countries. I'm going to pen a letter.

“My question is, if SS is gone, then why are we still paying it?”

To continue the only ‘legal’ Ponzi scheme in town. Actually, SS is not gone, just the money - it continues to reliably buy votes (with that old opiate of the political class and their 'clients' - O. P. M., aka other people's money) from the Old Fart wing of the Free Shit Army.




“The Law is defined and comprised of statutes, aka the codes. What are you trying to imply?”

Only that a mere statute (at any level of government) which contravenes the Constitution is not a law; it merely has the ‘color of law’ and to enforce it is a criminal act. This is an old principle of American jurisprudence – it goes back to the early 19th century and has yet to be overturned in court. The government merely ignores it in our time…

So it ends up that Gibson's major competitor, who also stocks guitars using the same woods, through the same channels, wasn't molested by the feds.

I wonder if the fact that their CEO is a major Democratic fundraiser/donor has anything to do with it?

[Bang]

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Originally Posted by Mtn.man

Heard that the trees were protected but were cut down in India by illegal pakistan midgets riding sacred brahamas.

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As someone who's been on a few brahmas in my day.... I wish I was Norris enough to cut down a tree while riding [ROFL1]

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Originally Posted by ChadAmberg

So it ends up that Gibson's major competitor, who also stocks guitars using the same woods, through the same channels, wasn't molested by the feds.

I wonder if the fact that their CEO is a major Democratic fundraiser/donor has anything to do with it?

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Who, Fender?
I've got my minty '78 Strat (with a rosewood fretboard, I might add) to make noise with and as far as I know PRS is still in business for when funds allow, so I'm good [Coffee]

Apparently this is the SECOND raid of Gibson in the last couple years.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...ompetitor.html

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One of Gibson’s leading competitors is C.F. Martin & Company. The C.E.O., Chris Martin IV, is a long-time Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the DNC over the past couple of election cycles. According to C.F. Martin’s catalog, several of their guitars contain “East Indian Rosewood.” In case you were wondering, that is the exact same wood in at least ten of Gibson’s guitars.

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